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Addition to Associated Acts

Guitarist Steve Howe (of Yes) should be added to associated acts, for his playing on the track Innuendo.

2607:FEA8:4DE0:2A6:59D7:E223:C31E:41F2 (talk) 12:29, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

"Associated acts" is less inclusive than that.

Per Template:Infobox_musical_artist, the field is limited to:

• Acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
• Groups which have spun off from this group
• A group from which this group has spun off

If instead it included those who recorded with them once, the list for Eric Clapton, for example, would be several dozen entries long, rather than the 10 we have. - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Brian May citation

Citation 91 is incorrect. The quotation is from 1999, while the citation says "early 1980s." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:82:C100:5C39:9C4:53CB:7753:1714 (talk) 10:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Supporting Yes

Yesterday, the official facebook page of the band Yes revealed that on 20 February 1971 during The Yes Album Tour, an early Queen acted as Yes' supporting act, on the same month Deacon joined: [1] Other than this facebook post, I was unable to find any reliable source. If anyone is luckier than me, I think it could make a cool addition to their early days section. --Hyliad (d), 29 March 2019, 12:32 (CEST)

Hardly seems notable (IMO). - FlightTime (open channel) 11:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Flight. It doesn't seem especially notable unless a source (either a critic, biographer or Queen band member) states that it was a major break for the band. Rodericksilly (talk) 10:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2019

Queen still plays to this day. It includes Roger Taylor and Brian May. John Deacon left in 1998 after playing 3 shows after Freddie Mercury's death. 2605:E000:2D88:A00:E924:AC84:3463:AC4F (talk) 04:54, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. QueerFilmNerd^talk 07:43, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Do Concert Tours count as the band still being active?

Queen made their last album in 1995 and John Deacon left around 1997. I bring up this because (and this goes for all articles about bands) do concert tours really count as the band being active, even if they havent made an album in 20+ years? LemonBreadS (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Making an album is not the sole measure of a band existing and being active. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it does. If we apply your logic, then we would also have to say that Queen wasn't established until 1973, as that is when they released their debut album, entitled Queen. But they were established in 1970, because they were doing gigs, which are live performances, earlier. They are still doing concerts, which are also live performances, and hence, they are still active. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 01:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2020

The articile states that Dave Grohl played at Live Aid. This is not true or possible as he was not in a Live Aid band. Cltlocalvore (talk) 00:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. No it doesn't; it merely describes what he thought about Queen's performance (see the Telegraph article). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Genre

Something tells me this has been talked about before, but can we please add something other than “rock” to the genre section? We should at least add/replace it with “hard rock.” I also think progressive rock, pop rock, and arena rock should be added. Henoryry (talk) 03:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Also perhaps glam rock Henoryry (talk) 03:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Henoryry: Yes it has countless times. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Rock by itself serves the purpose of the infobox. Past discussions[2][3] have agreed. The group was mainly a rock band, with a few songs venturing into other genres, but never really changing how the band was described in the sources.

Note that a band's overall genre is taken from how the sources describe the band, not from sources discussing the genre of individual songs or albums. Binksternet (talk) 03:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I think more than a few songs ventured into other genres, but I understand your point. Thanks Henoryry (talk) 03:22, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Please stop adding genre's unless accompanied by a reliable source as per V. Robvanvee 16:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Error in article

In the List of best-selling music artists article, it says that Queen sold 170 million to 200 million records worldwide, which probably means that the sources in this article are incorrect. I hope that someone can fix this error, as it is too complicated for me to do it myself. X-ma998 (talk) 14:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The sources on this article are mixed, and as likely to be correct as the ones on List of best-selling music artists. Also, please do not add Oxford Commas to this article. Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2020

active 1970 to about Nov 25, 1991 2600:1700:17A0:FD60:6992:CFC6:9D7F:4856 (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: "Consensus has been reached that Queen are an active group. Please do not change this without first changing consensus." –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2021

Tomholland2005 (talk) 05:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Queen as the line we all know (Freddie Mercury, Roger Taylor, John Deacon, and Brian May) was formed in 1971

Indeed. This is explained in the #History section and illustrated in the #Timeline section. Armadillopteryx 06:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2021

I think it would make more sense to have the 'active years' thing be 1970-1998 as Queen, as that was the year that had the last Queen release (outside of compilation albums) and then maybe have the under that '1999-present as Queen +' JimmyCrackCorn123 (talk) 22:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Keeping this unanswered to gather consensus. ~ Aseleste (t, c, l) 05:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, marking this as answered. Also see #Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2020. ~ Aseleste (t, c, l) 05:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Opinion on article length

Personally, I think the history section needs to be either be split into a separate article or have a lot of its contents be included in articles specifically about Queen songs and albums. The subsection "1974–1976: Sheer Heart Attack to A Night at the Opera" is the biggest example of this. There are two insanely long paragraphs about "Bohemian Rhapsody." Understandable as it's the song that gave them their breakthrough, but can't a lot of this be left to the song article? 👨x🐱 (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

is vs are

"Queen are a British rock band formed in London in 1970." wrong. should read "queen is". the band queen is a single entity

Please see WP:ENGVAR - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 20:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

In British English, "are" is used when referring to an entity made up of more than one person, like bands and sports teams. ... discospinster _talk 21:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2021

Section: 1974–1976: Sheer Heart Attack to A Night at the Opera — Change ‘contacted laryngitis’ to ‘contracted laryngitis’ KaoriMG (talk) 04:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done Eevee01^(talk) 05:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Freddie's nationality

Why is Freddie Mercury classified as British and the rest of his band members as English? There is no such a thing as an English passport only a British one. So on what basis has this distinction been made? Is this unconscious racism? Genuinely confused and concerned? What about his background makes him more British over English compared with his bandmates? 77.97.57.136 (talk) 10:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The other three were born in England, while Freddie was not. He was a British subject based on his birth in Zanzibar, but did not live in England until adulthood. ... discospinster _talk 15:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Freddie's nationality

Freddie lived in and relocated to England- not Wales, Scotland, or Ireland he lived in England throughout his time in the UK. Therefore, why can he not be referred to as English - as has been done with other band-members of Queen? Presumably, he has a British passport like all the other band members but they are referred to as English (because of their skin colour?) and Freddie is referred to as British (because of his skin colour?). Genuinely curious why all 4 members are not referred to as British or all as English given they have all spent their life in the UK in England. Why has this distinction been made? 77.97.57.136 (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

As I said above, the other three members were born and raised in England, while Freddie moved there as an adult. I don't see why his being referred to as British rather than English would have anything to do with his skin colour, are you suggesting that English people are more white than Scots, Welsh, or Irish? ... discospinster _talk 19:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Freddie's Nationality

Thanks for your response. Ireland, Scotland and Wales are their own countries. Freddie relocated to England as opposed to any of the other countries in the British Isles. Presumably, he had a British passport per his band-mates and yet despite his relocation to and entire residence in the UK being in England- he is referred to as British (on wiki page) as opposed to English, whereas his bandmates are referred to as English. There are many people in England that are born overseas but at an early age relocated and lived their lives in England and subsequently refer to themselves as English- the same goes for persons from a young age living in Ireland referring to themselves as Irish and similarly Scottish for those in Scotland.

Why does it matter where Freddie was born? Why is he referred to as British and not English? The differentiation made between him and his band-mates re him being termed a British singer versus them (band mates) being English singers is questionable. 77.97.57.136 (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination

Hey all. I'm adding the Good Article nomination template to this article in the hopes that we can begin the process of getting this page's status reimposed since it's removal. This article has seen great improvement since it's good article status has been revoked more than a decade ago, including the streamlining of the introduction and the editing of some lines in the page that previously failed NPOV. I think it's fair to have this page reexamined, especially considering the extensive work of previous editors and the enduring notability of the page's subject. ChimChamIt'sAScam05 (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2022

Please Add Category "Touring Band Members" in the Members section and add " Philip Spike Edney - Keyboard & Piano (earlier on as well second guitar) active from 1984 until present" 2A02:810B:131F:EAF4:FDAD:9564:787:7E30 (talk) 22:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2022

John Deacon is still alive but he has been put in the past away members of the group. I would like to put him in the still alive members group of people. 85.94.240.193 (talk) 18:14, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: He is in the past members of the group, as in he is no longer a member. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2022

Henri Potter (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC) In the intro it is written that "Queen have been a global presence in popular culture for more than four decades". It must be update to five decades now, since the band is now 51 years old.  Done (as there are sources/content in the article from 2020 onwards)

“Are” grammar is stupid and should be changed

I know this is a British band and this is grammatically correct in British terms, but a great majority of the people viewing this article are American and would be perplexed at the idea of this. Please consider using “is” instead to prevent an American reader’s confusion for the article, because no one here wants that. 172.74.203.83 (talk) 12:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

It is unlikely that the great majority of people viewing this article are American, and even if they were, a little confusion never hurt anyone. ... discospinster _talk 13:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

"but a great majority of the people viewing this article are American"

Source? Nickin/talk 13:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Please see guidelines on this. We use the variety that is most relevant to the subject.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning of influence in power metal music?

With their neoclassical/marching band-style guitar playing, musical choirs, and storytelling lyrics that are often fantasy-themed, it's not a surprise that Queen had some significant influence in power metal music as a whole. Here is an entire list on such: https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerMetal/comments/x8c1bc/how_much_of_a_direct_influence_did_queen_had_on/ Yungstirjoey666 (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

We gotta add more genres to the list than just rock.

Hard rock, pop rock, prog rock, metal, synth pop, opera, they did it all. 64.231.26.61 (talk) 23:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Generally Queen are thought of as a rock band, so that's what is listed in the infobox. ... discospinster _talk 23:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, but what kind of rock? They are most known for their prog works in the 70s, and their pop works in the 80s. Yungstirjoey666 (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The infobox is a summary, while the details go in the body of the article. ... discospinster _talk 23:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

John Deacon’s backing vocal credits

He’s been proven to sing (notable) backing vocal parts on songs including ‘Liar’, ‘Don’t Stop Me Now’ and ‘Radio Ga Ga’. I think he deserves credit on the studio recordings he is known to gave sung on and not just the live recordings Actuallyjoseph (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Greates Hits Picture

The picture is titled Gold and Silver Discs. There are no silver discs. If you view the picture in full resolution, you can read easily Gold and Platinum.

2A02:1748:DD5D:1AA0:115D:B6A6:8F3D:CE4D (talk) 11:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Dweezzt (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2023

I respectfully request that the opening sentence has “were” rather than “are,” because if I’m not mistaken, Queen have disbanded. 2600:1700:34B0:75E0:9FD:4E0B:A8C5:B2E7 (talk) 04:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. They have recently been active according to the article. So why do you claim they have disbanded? Lightoil (talk) 04:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2023

Change line:

Influence

[[:File:Thom Yorke Nimes 2012.jpg|thumb|right|At 10 years old, Thom Yorke of Radiohead made a homemade guitar in an attempt to emulate Brian May.]]

to:

Influence

[[:File:Thom Yorke Nimes 2012.jpg|thumb|right|At 10 years old, Thom Yorke of Radiohead built a homemade guitar in an attempt to emulate Brian May.]] 81.100.88.36 (talk) 19:44, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done - FlightTime (open channel) 19:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2023

Please change "British" to "English" per Countries of the United Kingdom. HorrorLover555 (talk) 23:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: previous discussions (especially this one, as far as I can tell) have established the use of "British" in the lead. Per footnote A in MOS:NATIONALITY, any changes should be supported by consensus. Please gain new consensus if you believe there is strong reasoning to support using "English".

As an aside, HorrorLover555, you're extended confirmed, so you shouldn't need to create edit requests to edit semiprotected pages. Edit requests are mostly intended for cases where you can't (as in protection) or shouldn't (as in COI) make edits. Otherwise, the consensus-building process can just happen on the talk page as normal, and the edits can be implemented if consensus is reached. —⁠PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 03:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Alright, understood. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Sour Milk Sea

Was Freddie in a band called Sour Milk Sea before he founded Queen? If so, can it be added in the infobox of the article? 2601:407:4181:4260:6590:35CC:EAD1:E4DC (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2023

Please add Queen's discography in the infobox. 2601:407:4181:4260:A496:C959:DFE2:2852 (talk) 13:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

We don't normally do that in infoboxes. --Jayron32 13:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2023

In the history section, subsection '1983–1984: The Works', in the second paragraph, the last sentence contains the word 'commmeting'. This should be changed 'commenting'. Smikkelbuf (talk) 09:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 14:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Musical Theatre

We Will Rock You was rewritten and produced by Ben Elton at The Collesium, London from June to September 2023. 92.1.221.212 (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Genres

In the infobox I believe that some of the bands main genres should be listed like:

• Hard rock[4]
• pop rock[5]
• progressive rock[6]
• heavy metal (early)[7]

Progressive rock is not an early genre as, as the source states, it was continued into the 80s and 90s, where as heavy metal was dropped by the 80s, though hard rock was still represented in later songs like Hammer to Fall or The Show Must Go On.

Arena rock could also be listed.[8] Mewhen123 (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

The problem with extending the genre listing is that Queen performed songs in a large number of genres. So once you start listing them, other editors start contributing all the others. Soon, and this has happened in the past, there is a large list of many genres that gives the reader no idea what genre Queen generally performed. Remember that the info box is supposed to be a summary. Filling it with genres does not fulfil this purpose and adding the "main" genres just opens it all up to opinions about what the "main" genres were. This is why past consensus has been to just stick to 'rock' in the infobox. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 09:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Deacy amp

Not mentioning the Deacy amp in the article of Queen is like not mentioning violins in the article of Mozart. Funk~svwiki (talk) 03:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2024

Change the genre (currently Rock) to Rock, Pop. Geo8779 (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done As the page mentions pop as a genre performed by the band later on.
— Urro^{[talk][edits]} 15:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)