Talk:Quilago

Quilago is currently a Royalty, nobility and heraldry good article nominee. Nominated by Grnrchst (talk) at 09:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 09:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Firefangledfeathers (talk · contribs) 22:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Picking up this review. Thank you Grnrchst, for improving and expanding this article. I'll have initial comments for you in the next 24 hours. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Overall comments[edit]

Is it possible to add any more about the years these events take place, even if approximate? Failing that, can the "fl. 1485–1515" get a citation? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The exact years are uncertain, we just know that Huayna Capac's expansions took place between 1493 and 1525. Historians debate the exact period of the rebellion, but as far as I know, it's usually considered to have been between 1510 and 1515. These dates in the lead are approximations more so than exact dates. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugalde 2019 is never used in a citation. Is it used a general reference, or should it be moved to the Further reading section? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to further reading. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biography[edit]

When scholars describe the well incident as "folkloric", are they casting doubt on it being an actual historical event? If so, should the story be attributed up front to scholars that view the event as real? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No it's the explanation of the existence of shaft tombs that was folkloric. I haven't seen any sources dispute the event itself. I may not have explained that correctly. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy[edit]

"native Quiteño people": does this refer to the people of Quito? A link to the city could help, as could some brief in-text explanation. If the sources draw a connection between Quilago's Kingdom of Quito and the modern city and its people, it would help to make that explicit here. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to refer to indigenous peoples of Ecuador. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can "has served to deny the indigenous peoples of Ecuador their own historical continuity" be explained further? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's really what it already says, the story's appropriation by Ecuadorian nationalism has centred the a retroactive conception of the Ecuadorian nation at the expense of indigenous people's own history. From Benavides 2008, p. 1068:

At another level this historical identification of the site with Ecuador’s contemporary territorial disputes with Peru also has its own hermeneutical benefits—because it is precisely this over-identification with the Ecuadorian-Peruvian conflict that allows the site to further erase the inherent racial demarcation that defines the Ecuadorian nation-state. At Cochasquí identification with the greater national formations allows the site to be used to legitimize an Indian past. This is ironic since those same ancestral Indian communities—along with Afro-Ecuadorians and “cholos”—continue to be treated in inhuman and racist manners in the country. I reiterate: the site is hailed as a marker of national identification while depending on the very denial of the contemporary Indian groups’ identities whose past is being appropriated as Ecuadorian. It is in this manner that a historical continuity is denied to the Indian communities, yet Cochasquí is at the heart of the nation’s narrative about its post-pre-Hispanic future.
--Grnrchst (talk) 08:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]