Talk:Rabey Hasani Nadwi

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The explanation of the date of birth of Rabey Hasani Nadwi[edit]

There is no difference in the year of birth of Rabey Hasani Nadwi, according to the Gregorian calendar. There is also no difference in the month of birth, according to the Gregorian calendar. However, there are four sayings in the date of birth: (1) October 1, (2) October 2, (3) October 29, and (4) October 17.

Detailed information:

(1) On the website of Darul Musnnifin Shibli Academy, it is written: "Maulana Syed Mohammad Rabe Hasani Nadvi was born on October 1, 1929."

(2) The date of birth is listed as follows on the website of the magazine Al-Baas al-Islami: "تاريخ الولادة: ٦جمادى الأولى/عام ١٣٤٨هـ المصادف ٢/ أكتوبر عام ١٩٢٩م. [Date of birth: 6 Jumad al-Ula, 1348 AH, 2 October 1929 AD."]

(3) Dr. Muhammad Akram Nadvi has written on the website of the "Association of Syrian Scholars": "لشيخنا العلامة الشريف المعمر محمد الرابع الحسني رئيس ندوة العلماء بلكنؤ، الهند، المولود في 25 جمادى الآخرة سنة 1348ه المصادف لـ 29 أكتوبر سنة 1929.م [To our sheikh, the distinguished and aged scholar,Muhammad Rabey Al-Hasani, head of the Scholars’ Forum in Lucknow, India, born on the 25th of Jumada al-Akhirah in the year 1348 AH, corresponding to the 29th of October 1929 AD."]

This is also mentioned on page 31 of the late Maulana's autobiography book "Auraq-e-Zindagi" (Volume 1).

(4) On the website of Arabic megazine Al-Baas al-Islami, a question and answer to the late Maulana has been published under the title "ردود على أسئلة وجهت إلى سعادة الشيخ محمد الرابع الحسني الندوي [Replies to Questions of His Excellency Sheikh Muhammad Rabey Al-Hasani Al-Nadwi", in which he has answered the following about his date of birth: "ولدت في قرية تكية كلان دائرة الشاه علم الله الحسني بمديرية رائى بريلي بشمالي الهند ، وكان ميلادي في 17/10/1929م" [I was born in the village of Takia Kalan, Daira Shah Alamullah Al-Hasani, Raei Bareilly District, Northern India, on October 10, 1929 AD.]

Note: Maulana Abdul Matīn Munīri, the administrator of the "Ilam o Kitab" WhatsApp group, has published an interview with Maulana Syed Muhammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi on YouTube. The title of this interview is "Exclusive Interview with Moulana Syed Rabey Hasani Nadwi," which was published on April 13, 2023.

Also, in the collection of articles written on Maulana and the book compiled by Maulana Abdul Hanan Nadwi titled "Hazrat Maulana Syed Muhammad Rabi Hasani Nadwi Personality and Services," it is mentioned in three ways: (1) Absolute 1929; (2) 29 October 1929; (3) October 1929. The third opinion is that of Maulana Abdul Hannan Nadvi, the author of the book, and the first two opinions are those of the essayists.

By the way, none of the websites for online calendars are able to match the Hijri date of birth and the solar date of birth exactly. Even a difference of two or four days is not compatible. Therefore, it is a small request that, due to inconsistency, you do not write Hijri's date of birth in your writings and just write October 29, 1929, as this is what is mentioned in the autobiography of the late Maulana himself.

Result: Since October 29, 1929 is written in his autobiography, after consultation among "Active Wiki Users" of Urdu Wikipedia, the date of birth of Hazrat Maulana Syed Muhammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi, may Allah be pleased with him, was written on October 29, 1929 on English and Urdu Wikipedia. Regards Khaatir (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DR THAJUDEEN MANNANI, @Owais Al Qarni, @Yethrosh, and @TheAafi -- Khaatir (talk) 06:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A request[edit]

@TheAafi In general, Muhammad appears at the beginning of Muslim names, but not in this case. His name was Muhammad Rabey. His older brother was Muhammad Sani Hasani. For the sake of brevity, the word Muhammad removed from the title is not the same as the word Muhammad links with the generic name; rather, it is a component of his name. Khaatir (talk) 01:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this is a case of WP:COMMONNAME. Rabey Hasani Nadwi appears to have been widely than "Muhammad Rabey Hasani". In WP:COMMONNAME, we don't really care about what a person's real name was, but check with how they've been referred around across reliable sources. ─ Aafī (talk) 04:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAafi Merely appearing on news portals without Muhammad is not enough to be called a common name, I think. Also, the biographical sketch is written on Wikipedia, so it will be considered whether Muhammad is here as a title name or not. I think the media and most people don't know the difference between Muhammad as part of his name or as a title. For this reason, Muhammad does not write for the sake of brevity. I can cite many worthy sources in which the full name Muhammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi will be found written, some of which are presented below:
  • Ahmed, Mobarok (2012). A study on Arabic prose writers in India with special reference to Maulana Muhammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi (PhD thesis) (in Arabic). India: Department of Arabic, Guwahati University. hdl:hdl.handle.net/10603/115224.
  • Live, A. B. P. (13 April 2023). "मौलाना राबे हसनी नदवी का निधन, मुसलमानों के सबसे शक्तिशाली संगठन मुस्लिम पर्सनल लॉ बोर्ड के थे अध्यक्ष". ABP Live (in Hindi). Retrieved 5 February 2024.
    • (The full name is inside the news.)
  • Staff, Maktoob (2023-04-13). "Veteran Muslim scholar Mohammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi dies at 94". Maktoob media. Retrieved 2024-02-05.
  • Fahad, Obaidullah (2015). OBJECTIVES Of SHARIAH (Introduction and Application) (1st ed.). Beirut, Lebanon: Dar Al Kotob Al Ilmiyah. p. 77. ISBN 978-2-7451-8331-6.
  • Winkelmann, Mareike Jule (2005). From Behind the Curtain: A Study of Girls' Madrasa in India. Amsterdam University Press. p. 140. ISBN 978-90-5356-907-8.
  • Reetz, Dietrich (2006). Islam in the Public Sphere: Religious Groups in India, 1900-1947. Oxford University Press. p. 68. ISBN 978-0-19-566810-0.
  • Muslim & Arab Perspectives: International Islamic Magazine. Institute of Islamic and Arabic Studies. 2004. p. 279.
  • Darpan, Pratiyogita (2001). Competition Science Vision. Pratiyogita Darpan. p. 1443.
  • India Today International. Living Media International Limited. 2003. p. 7.
  • Fiasco in Nadwa as Viewed by National Press. Media Research Centre. 1995. Khaatir (talk) 06:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm unsure if this helps. In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals. - WP:COMMONNAME is explicit in this, and everything should be counted. We cannot outrightly reject any occurrence because it appears to be in a media outlet. Wikipedia article titles are based on their frequent usage in the given language's available reliable sources (often helped by Search Engines), for instance, Maulana Azad and not Muhiyuddin Abul Kalam Azad, else Abul Kalam Azad. If most of the reliable available sources name him Rabey Hasani Nadwi, it is enough to be called a WP:COMMONNAME. Google Search reveals 15,900 hits for it and only 1690 for "Muhammad Rabey Hasani Nadwi", giving an impression that Muhammad is very least used with the name. We do not discuss what the subject's real name is/was because it doesn't help. ─ Aafī (talk) 06:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have your opinion; respect it. But there is no complete agreement with it. I brought up one point: media outlets have not used Muhammad as an acronym in many publications. Many news portals have also used merely Rabey Hasani as an abbreviation while simultaneously including the full name in the article. I believe the media will assume Muhammad is the same here, as it is normally at the beginning of Muslim names; otherwise, I do not believe it is eliminated at all. In terms of making Google results an argument, if a false name is entered into Google, innumerable results appear, whether or not they are relevant to the sought thing!
Again, I am giving some references in which the full name of Muhammad Rabey Hasani is written, and some of them are reliable news portals.
Khaatir (talk) 07:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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