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Bad external links[edit]

Most of the external links for this article produce a 404 Not Found error when clicked ... the rest either lead to a non-English page, pages that require a Shockwave plugin, or else to a search engine results page (Alexa) ... see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, items 8 and 9 in particular ... someone needs to correct these problems.

Most glaring is the fact that no Wikipedia article should have an Alexa ranking in the main text ... these numbers change daily, and even with a date beside a number, it is trivial, transient, and therefore meaningless information ... and it is generally agreed that Alexa Internet is not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards because of conflict of interest issues (being owned and run by Amazon.com). —72.75.72.174 11:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity is not notability[edit]

As per the AfD discussions, I have changed "one of the biggest Shi'a sites online" to "one of the most popular Shi'a websites", and used a {{cite web}} to the Alexa page for "Most Popular In Shia" to back up the claim ... I also removed the six month old Alexa ranking and the very non-WP:NPOV statement about its ranking position being remarkable for a Shi'a website ... how it compares with other Islamic sites in general is actually moot, since it still has not met any of Wikipedia's criteria for WP:WEB. — 72.75.72.174 (talk · contribs) 15:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How to add a reference[edit]

This will be my last attempt to help Striver (talk · contribs) with proper citations ... they added

The site is among several Shi'a sites blocked in Saudi Arabia <ref>http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/politics/0000151.php</ref>

with the simple edit summary "editing" ... I turned it into a real citation with

{{cite web | url = http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/politics/0000151.php | title = Religious Freedom in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - Focus on Citizens | author = Saudi Institute | publisher = Shia News}}

with the edit summary "used {{cite web}} tag for reference" after following the link to find the title of the article, the author, and the publisher (website) name.

I have done the same with the other external references in the article, as I believe that doing so improves the article's "credibility", at least in its appearance. OTOH, if User:Striver is not willing to learn how to make proper citations and references on their own, and just reverts mine without any explanation, then I don't think that they are worthy of my help any longer ... it would be nice if they had used this Talk page to discuss their edits ... this one is rather trivial, like saying that "Playboy.com is banned in Indonesia" and finding a reference for it ... what encyclopediac value does that have? It certainly has nothing to do with the WP:WEB criteria, as "noteriety" is not an issue in the current AfD discussion. 72.75.72.174 21:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked in Saudi Arabia[edit]

This aricle says, "site is among several Shi'a sites blocked in Saudi Arabia," but the citation for it (added a few days ago) has evaporated (http://www.shianews.com/ says, "This account has been suspended.") ... this claim should be deleted if there is no valid citation for it ... if the site is not back online in a few days, this sentence will be removed for failing Wikipedia:Verifiability. (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt about the U.K. server for the site, instead of deleting it right now.) 72.75.72.174 18:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It has been over 48 hours, and the site is still suspended, so I have removed the statement and the following citation:

Saudi Institute. "Religious Freedom in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - Focus on Citizens". Shia News.

If it reappears someday (assuming this article survives the AfD), or someone can find an alternate citation, then it can be restored.

Also, I call "bogus" on the claim that the website is from Qum, Iran ... according to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/ the Registrant, Administrative Contact, and Technical Contact all have the same postal address in Qum, but apparently "the Shi'a academic center of the world" lacks the resources to host their own website, because the IP address for this domain name is actually assigned to an American server located in Chicago, IL ... the reality is that they are dependent upon "The Great Satan" for their presence on the Web, a fact that I find rather ironic. --72.75.72.174 15:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Striver (talk · contribs) has found an archived copy of this article (dated 15 October 2001) and restored the assertion with the new link ... as usual, their only Edit summary was "editing" ... does anyone have a citation that it is still blocked after 5 years? Or is this even worth mentioning in the article?

And what's with the Alexa and Google page ranks and comparisons of popularity with another Website? THAT HAS NO PLACE IN WIKIPEDIA! --72.75.72.174 04:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it's infomation from a reliable sources presented neutrally.And there is nothing that indicates that Shi'a Islam has all of the sudden become tolerated in Saudi Arabia --Striver - talk 19:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alexa pagerank and comparison[edit]

It turns out that the author has confused pagerank with notability, and Al-islam.org is another article by the same author that was just deleted after an AfD (hence the redlink) ... see The Harley-Quinn.com Argument for background.

Regardless, as stated above, this kind of comparison is totally unencyclopedic since the rankings are a moving target, and relative positions as recorded on any given date are not notable information ... so I have removed that paragraph and citation. --72.75.72.174 (talk · contribs) 07:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article getting worse?[edit]

Is it my imagination, or are recent edits actually making this article worse? The addition of beau coup "references" to Arabic language pages on the subject's own website violates so many Wikipedia guidelines and policies that I won't even bother to list them ... none of these edits have been productive with regards to the current AfD debate. --72.75.85.159 03:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Imagination can play funny tricks. But seriously, subject's own publications are permitted for information about that subject (and their views). Foreign language links are also permitted if none is available in English, particularly if the subject itself is a foreign one, as in non-English speaking. Tyrenius 10:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Content[edit]

I think it would be very useful to have more information about the content of this site and some of the teachings communicated. I recall someone might have objected to this at some stage, but if you're going to read an article about something, then it's a useful part of the article. Tyrenius 10:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Imam Sistani websites[edit]

please mention that rafed.net is one of Imam Sistani websites like sistani.org and al-shia.com and imamreza.net --Machboos laham 05:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Rafed net.jpg[edit]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Rafed net.jpg[edit]

Image:Rafed net.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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