Talk:Raggare

Pronunciation[edit]

I'd like to see a pronunciation guide for this term. Also, the entry claims the term "Raggare" comes from the word "Ragga". Well, what language is that original word from? -- Someone who didn't sign his/her entry

--24.212.35.237 20:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)"Raggare" is the swedish way to pronoune Rocker. Voilà![reply]

"Ragga" is a Swedish word, meaning "to try to pick up" or something along those lines. "Raggare" is to "ragga" as english "runner" is to "run". Just a "nounification" of the word. I have no idea how to do a proper pronounciation guide, but I do know how to pronounce the word (since I am Swedish). --81.233.90.182 18:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The songs "Punkdjävlar!" and "Punkar'n och raggar'n" are not "against punks". Punkdjävlar is punk music, punk attitude, and cheeky lyrics saying that punks are ugly and sound like hell. IOW, it's irony, a joke... Punkarn och raggarn is about a raggare who picks up a punk girl and has sex with her in his car (IOW, a love song).

"about a raggare who picks up a punk girl and has sex with her in his car (IOW, a love song)". And who said that the Swedes weren't romantic? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For a raggare that is romance (and in the song it is clear that they are still together at least nine months later...)

Various problems[edit]

I like the article (and the images!), but have a few complains which I'm too lazy to do something about:

"found mostly in ... and smaller villages" should probably read "... and smaller towns".
What is the connection between raggare and similar subcultures in the US, anyway? I seem to recall the term rocker. And biker culture. Conversely, what is the difference? They are in the See Also section, but ...
Should mention cruising, and att ströga, if there's a difference, and if it's not something people just do in Falköping.
Age profile of the people today (I suppose most are in their forties). Decline or not?
Do raggare really listen to rockabilly, or is that a false stereotype? Springsteen and Creedence seem more likely.
The Meduza—punk thing is a bit irrelevant. He wrote one or two songs about punk, but his art was more about music, sex, booze, cars and (perhaps) irony.
The Sex Pistols incident — likewise.
References for the raggare—skinhead—neonazi connection, please. The part about xenophobia sounds believable, but ...
"unusual (for Swedes) pro-American stance" — I don't believe that is true. Swedes are, generally, pro-American in terms of culture. The following "low-brow" section is enough to explain why raggare are low-status.

I have tried to fix some of your concerns. Raggare is probably simmilar to the greaser subculture, but they have evolved differently in Scandinavia. Ae there any greasers left on the US side of the pond? Crusing (raggarrunda) is now mentioned. No idea about the age profile, but as far as I can tell there are many younger raggares as well. Altough they rareley can afford a 1950s US fintail car so they use something like Volvo 240s or 1970s european Fords (I recently saw (in meeting traffic) a couple of youngsters in a Ford Taunus Mk II painted in the classic flames). I added a source for the rockabilly claim. Kopparbergs brewery published a double CD called "Raggarrock" in 2004[1]. Agree on the Meduza part. The Sex Pistols incident is of some historical significance as it's possibly the first time raggare came to international attention. Well, raggare was very pro-US even in the 1960s and used to attack for instance demonstrations against the vietnam war I agree that it seems somewhat out of place under the "Raggare today" heading. The raggare—skinhead—neonazi connection seems a bit odd. I can see how rual xenophobia can lead to neo-nazism, but I don't see how skinheads fit in. // Liftarn

Seriously... this article is a mess[edit]

This article should exist as much as any other article on a subculture, but in it's current form, it's a mess. Remember this is an encyclopedia. Information should be factual, objective, and written in a style of language that may be expected from an encyclopedia. Not to mention it should be written in decent English language.

Normally I'm not too lazy to edit and partially rewrite an article, but in this case this would mean rewriting the entire article from scratch, using the scattered bits and pieces that are on the page right now. One problem is I don't know enough about the subject to be able to do that properly. So, I removed the majority of the mess; if anyone who's interested in this article and knows enough about it reads this; start working on it, feel free to use useful information from older versions, but please don't put that stuff back as it was. Instead, please rewrite the article, and this time make it a proper article. RagingR2 00:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a few references. I also found that raggare may be called (or have been compared to) blousons noirs, nozems and lederjacken in various parts of the world. // Liftarn

Imaginative editors[edit]

The article claims raggare to be "a Swedish word roughly corresponding to the English term "pick-up artist", i.e., a person seeking sexual contact with someone".

From Wiktionary ragga: 4. to search, look for, hit on, pick up (women, in cars) in Svenska Akademiens Ordlista, which only states
ragga v. (vard.) jaga el. ta upp flickor i bil; leta, söka == ragga verb (colloquial) chase or pick up girls into cars; look for, search

Wikipedia: Pickup artist: a man who considers himself to be skilled, or who tries to be skilled, at finding, attracting, and seducing women.
Wiktionary: pickup artist: One who uses specialized tactics to seduce women

So not quite near.
Nelg (talk) 15:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When translating slang, sometimes 'roughly' is as good as it gets. Still, perhaps a better translation would be "Wiktionary:skirt chaser: A man with amorous intentions who habitually seeks out female companionship"? Grayfell (talk) 03:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fun read[edit]

http://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-europes-weirdest-car-culture-raggare-512086377 Not a reliable source, but could be used as an introduction. // Liftarn (talk)

Cars[edit]

Why is Pontiac Bonneville stated as the standard car? I doubt they're that much more common than other cars of the same era. At the moment there are 22 60's Bonnevilles for sale at www.blocket.se, and 46 60's impalas. I'd say these numbers correlates to the amounth of said cars in traffic in sweden.

"They are plentiful, classic, relatively cheap, and have a huge backseat so the Raggare can pile in all of their friends" is true for most mid size and full size 60's yank cars.

The sentence about having to customize your hot rod but not stock american car is also wrong on so many levels. Firstly both cars shown in the article are customized, as are most cars used by raggare. Secondly i'm sure a 30's car would stick out in the US being hot rodded or not. Thirdly hot rodders and raggare are practically the same people in sweden/scandinavia.

The introduction states that "are known for their love of hot rod cars" even though the article later states that raggare drive stock cars.

I also changed the part about opel kapitäns and fintail mercs to europen cars, as today's young raggare drive everything from volvo 740's and ford taunuses to 50's opels and claim to be "raggare"

False Stereotypes[edit]

This article is a mess and mixes stereotypes willy nilly. While there definitively exists a rockabilly subculture in Scandinavia, it doesn't necessarily mean they are all "raggare", or even that all "raggare" are necessarily rockabilly. Most of these guys do in fact not use Brylcreem unless they are actual rockabillies. Not all of them modify their cars either, and not all of them are middle aged men that like to flaunt the rebel flag. In fact a lot of "raggare" are just as likely to listen to beat-heavy eurotrance, dubstep and even punk music as traditional rock and roll or hard rock. The word has a wider meaning than that, and can be used for anybody who likes to joyride around town or meet up with other friends at the local gas station or parking lot. I think this article will be a lot more meaningful if it acknowledges these differences, and if it also goes into the etymology of the name. A note should also be given to the national differences between typical "raggare" and "råner", if there are any (I doubt they are big). I can't speak for the history of the name, or the old beef between "raggare" and punks, however, but I assume it is correct. Are there any sources outside song lyrics? And what is an article about "raggare" without also mentioning the Volvo 240, or Wunderbaum and soft, furry dices hanging from the rear view mirror? Jeez! Kebman (talk) 11:19, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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