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Orphaned references in Indian Road Network

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Indian Road Network's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "hobble":

  • From Economy of India: "The Trouble With India: Crumbling roads, jammed airports, and power blackouts could hobble growth". BusinessWeek. 19 March 2007.
  • From Transport in India: The Trouble With India: Crumbling roads, jammed airports, and power blackouts could hobble growth from BusinessWeek March 19, 2007

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Constant reverts by By78

It has already been established that the road network in the country has issues. Your post seems like it is pushing POV to me because it has already been made clear that these issues exist (in a much more neutral language might I add). Vedant (talk) 02:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted it once so far today, and I am not sure that qualifies as "constant reverts", since once is not plural. By78 (talk) 02:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I take that back, I have reverted ZERO times today, as I have only made edits, not reverts. By78 (talk) 02:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
You made two reverts. There were no changes between the version on 3:57 UTC on September 10th 2009 and the version on 3:44 UTC of the same day. In addition, you made a revert at 2:30 UTC on September 10th 2009 to a previous version of the article. That counts as two reverts.Vedant (talk) 02:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Revert only happens if you hit the "undo" link, which I did not do. I merely edited. By78 (talk) 00:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I have already told you not to confuse the issues section with the introduction. I have CLEARLY documented all the issues in the issues section (where they belong) and not in the introduction section where the issues do not need to be discussed in such great detail. That is unless you wanted to give someone the impression that the Road Network was crumbling and totally overshadow the major changes being undertaken. If that is the case, then you could certainly add more POV statements. Vedant (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

ah but India's road network is in a dilapidated and crumbling state, and to state otherwise is just POV. I agree that something is being done, and I have not objected to the inclusion of statements to that effect. By78 (talk) 19:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
And I didn't make a claim to the contrary, I just moved those claims to the issues section. Infact I included all your citations and sources incase you were unaware. In addition you reverted a perfectly good edit without even bothering to check the revision history so I have problems with your POV. To make the issues the focus of the article (as you attempted to do) is to introduce POV into the article.Vedant (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
But I think it is important to mention the dilapidated state of the Indian road network in the opening paragraph, with at least a sentence. What is so biased about that? By78 (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
By the way, I am aware of the quality of infrastructure is somewhat of a subjective thing. Dirty path is great compared to no path at all. However, judging by international standards (of what can be done), how does one summarize the state of India's roads in a concise manner? How about the words "crumbling" [1], "poor" [2], "woefully inadequate" [3], "broken" [4], etc. I don't think your way of editing this article cuts muster. You want to stuff most negative points into a short little section called "issues" at the end of the long article, which I find very bizarre. FYI, my version has only 37 words total in the intro on the dilapidated state of India's roads. How much more reasonable can I possibly be? Who is pushing POV here?! By78 (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Vedant, you have not replied to my discussion points; so please don't be so rash to change the article without discussion first. By78 (talk) 23:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I have already discussed the matter. Vedant (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Ah no, you have not answered my latest point, which I will re-post for your convenience, "by the way, I am aware of the quality of infrastructure is somewhat of a subjective thing. Dirty path is great compared to no path at all. However, judging by international standards (of what can be done), how does one summarize the state of India's roads in a concise manner? How about the words "crumbling" [5], "poor" [6], "woefully inadequate" [7], "broken" [8], etc. I don't think your way of editing this article cuts muster. You want to stuff most negative points into a short little section called "issues" at the end of the long article, which I find very bizarre. FYI, my version has only 37 words total in the intro on the dilapidated state of India's roads. How much more reasonable can I possibly be? Who is pushing POV here?!". By78 (talk) 23:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
By78, I would appreciate you adding The density of China's highway network (0.16 km of highway per square kilometer of land) is far lesser than India's (0.66 ), United States (0.65) and Brazil's (0.20).[1] in the Transportation_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China page. Bcs09 (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "India Transport Sector". World Bank.

Google earth images: Then and Now

I am moving the following links, on a voluntary basis, to the talk section, to get guidance and comments from other wiki editors. <ref spam removed> My concern is whether such links are compliant with wiki's copyright rules. On first blush of WP:CFAQ, these links should be fine. Many wiki articles already use external links with google earth images, have been for quite a while. See for example,
Highways in Poland
Philips
Heron Tower
Moscow International Business Center
+1000 others

Still, I am not 100 percent sure. So I yield to caution, and welcome comments. Thank you,ApostleVonColorado (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Indian Road Network and foreign invasions

Hi Apostle I added that image at the start of the article to make article look better but I was struggling to minimize that. I would like to put it back. and regarding the "foreign invasion and colonial rule" sentence its true that Indian economy as a whole including transport are ruined or used only for the benefit of colonial powers. I would come back with proper references ! Any how thanks for helping improve the article !Naveen Reddy 07:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naveen Reddy (talk • contribs)

This article is on Indian Road Network. An image for India's network of highway is the most relevant image for lead. Using an image of a recently built highway as lead makes this wiki article somewhat promotional; making the image big, more so. Per WP:WWIN and WP:LEAD, please consider if national network image is more relevant than the big image of one quality and interesting highway. For NPOV and balance, for making the page more trustworthy to international readers, anything that makes this article read like an ad, promo soapbox should be avoided.
On colonial powers and foreign invasions, there are two issues. First is finding non-fringe reliable secondary source for verifiability. Second is whether this information is relevant; after all, British colonial rule in India ended in 1947 and foreign invasions were historical events; FWIW, post World War 2, not just independent India, all nations including Japan, Germany, Italy, France, China etc. had very poor road networks. Including this debate and discussion in this article may dilute the usefulness and diffuse the objectivity of this wiki article. Perhaps, your proposed discussion should go into Colonial India.
ApostleVonColorado (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Justifiability of using private vehicles

Shouldn't we include a section on whether it is hard to justify of private people using their own (private) vehicles for people transport, if the death rate is above say 15 deaths per 100 000 inhabitants per year, and when traffic rules are disregarded, ... by them (ie India)? After all, these vehicles could be easily denied access from city centers, improving transport efficiency and not hindering the transportation of cargo (see Car free movement, List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate ). KVDP (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Vijayawada-Guntur Expressway

This road is shown here in a photograph, but is not listed as either operational or planned/under construction in the "Expressways in India" article (neither name appears there). The road evidently exists (otherwise there wouldn't be a photograph), but it may be wrongly named here. I've made a similar comment on the "Talk" page for "Expressways in India".213.127.210.95 (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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