Talk:Robert Keyes

uncited material

Unfortunately not a lot is written about Keyes, and with the sources I have I haven't been able to cite the following bits:

• Keyes' lodgings - house of Elizabeth More, near Temple Bar, London?
• They decided to stay in London for a while awaiting further news, but after a few hours Keyes left the house and started to make his way back to Lord Mordaunt's house, either to attempt to hide out there while his master was away or to inform his wife of the failure of the plot and wish her goodbye (although there is evidence to suggest she may have also been away on holiday at the time). Rookwood left the house sometime after Keyes, but having a faster horse, caught up with him at Highgate, and the two journeyed on to Bedfordshire before separating.
• Keyes claimed that his motive had been to promote the common good. He stated that he had hoped that England would have become a Catholic state once again and also that the violence of the present persecutions had forced him into the conspiracy. Parrot of Doom 21:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I've cited Elizabeth More from Simons - it's nearly 50 years old, but there's no reason to doubt it on that. As the rest of the second query is all cited to Fraser, presumably only the " either to attempt to hide out there while his master was away or to inform his wife of the failure of the plot and wish her goodbye" bit is in doubt? This can also be cited to Simons (p.158), but is only his supposition, so I wouldn't worry about it as the article doesn't suffer by omitting his imagined motives. The sentence on Keyes' reasons for joining the plot is a close paraphase of Tesimond's narrative. The exact (translated and modernised) quote is "He claimed his motive had been to promote the common good. That is, that he hoped his native land would be turned back to the Catholic faith. The violence of the present persecution had driven him also to take part in the conspiracy". Yomangani^talk 11:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'm going to do Christopher Wright next (I may request a merge with his brother, John), and then the Wintours. Keyes is probably one of the least important plotters so as long as this can be made half decent for a stab at GAN, I'll be happy. Then they'll all have been done. I'm not sure if after that I want to do Garnet's article, or perhaps one of the Littletons, truth be told I'm getting a bit fed up of having to write 13 different plot summaries :)

I think if that's what Tesimond said, we should quote him in full, rather than paraphrasing him. Would you be able to do that? Parrot of Doom 13:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll do it later today if I get time. Yomangani^talk 15:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Illustration of Keyes

I managed to track down an illustration of Keyes (together with the other plotters) and it is now available on Commons; Keyes is the second person from the right. I was thinking of cropping a picture just to show him but it did not turn out very good due to the graininess of the illustration. No need to use this illustration in this article unless you want to, I just figured that it would be good to know that the possibility exists --195.75.73.1 (talk) 13:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, unfortunately it's far too grainy to use, but who knows, someone may have a higher quality version. Parrot of Doom 14:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)