Talk:Robert Raymond, 1st Baron Raymond

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Law French[edit]

I have not investigated what Lord Raymond may have said, but my impression is that is was not law French so much as Latin that disappeared from the courts in 1733. As the law French article makes clear, French terms have remained part of the English legal vocabulary until quite recent times. I think it may only be from 1995, that their use began to be seriously discouraged. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found this reference: "...Lord Raymond, Chief Justice of England (d. 1733), who in the House of Lords forcefully opposed the plans of the House of Commons to replace Law French with the obligatory use of English in the practice of law and in the courts. In his eyes, the abandonment of the traditional language of the law opened the way to the most capricious innovations; this policy might even lead to the Welsh demanding the power to proceed in Welsh. In spite of his speech, a statute of 1731, which came into force on 25 March 1733, permitted the anglicization of justice".—R. C. Caenegem, An Historical Introduction to Private Law (Cambridge University Press, 1992), pp. 174-5.--Johnbull (talk) 19:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds a good source; so I have added it to the article. I merely expressed surprise: perhaps his amendment was successful, in that only Latin was abandoned. I do not know. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]