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comment added by 63.170.55.199 (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC) Ronald McDonald was the president of the U.S.A and was a horrible leader he made everybody fat. Someone put a link under [4] in the citations area to their youtube video merging the Ronald McDonald direct-to-video series with clips from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, with links to this citation embedded in the article. I'm too new a member to delete it myself, but it is very obviously spam/vandalism. Someone who -can- edit the article, please help. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunkalax (talk • contribs) 05:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Switch-Hitter?

Aparently the American Family Association is boycotting McDonalds on the supposition that Ronald McDonald putts in the ruff. Hilarious, but does it warrant mention in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadentsoul (talk • contribs) 06:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

AFA is upset at McDonald’s for refusing to condemn Vice President of Communications Richard Ellis’s decision to serve on the Board of Directors of the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (NGLCC). A director of communications is not Ronald McDonald. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 14:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppeting

User:Plyjacks was sock puppeting this article, using multiple accounts to annoy other contributors for his own personal enjoyment. I removed all of his threads and comments as per Wikipedia policy.

For a list of his socks, please see category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Plyjacks and Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Plyjacks. If you believe that a new post or thread has been created by him, please place the {{sock}} tag, |Plyjacks after the "sock", on the suspected user's talk page.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 14:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

external links

The ron house charities link is already listed on the ron house charities page. It does pertain to ron mcd the character. See #13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest Likewise TV acres and IMDB violate #4 on the first link above. Ronald's official website already covers whats necessary and official (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_be_linked). Lihaas (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You are saying that the link to IMDB was "mainly intended to promote a website"? I disagree. Links to IMDB rarely are intended as promotion. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 17:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

While there are wikisites that do link to imdb, it certainly isn't academically thorough and the most reliable outside source. imdb is also strongly followed by a forum on each page which dilutes credibility (web log kind). Tertiary sources are generally less credible without citation of sources. I mean the big stars are well dated no doubt, but there is plenty I have personally seen that does not figure. News media are known for their credibility and thoroughness and academic sources certainly so. (mind you, i come from a setting that you can probably ascertain now ;))

At any rate, upon further study #5 would figure here too. But above all the official page covers what needs to be done (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_be_linked). Lihaas (talk) 18:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You were referring to "mainly intended to promote a website" which is what I was disagreeing with. Now you're referring to "sites that primarily exist to sell products or services". I disagree again, IMDB is not a site that primarily exists to sell products or services. There is not an objectionable amount of advertising on IMDB. I agree with your conclusion that IMDB is borderline encyclopedic though I disagree with some of your reasoning and I'm against removing IMDB links wholesale. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not claiming IMDB exists to sell anything. What is IMDB's crediblity factor. It's advertisements are loaded more than standard external links (see the good articles, RIRA is an example). Also "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site, if any." But primarily "Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links, or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links." (the others still hold, i haven't changed, just added to) Lihaas (talk) 17:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there some sort of official policy or guideline on this like the one for YouTube? Or is this your personal opinion? Don't synthesize an answer based on policy either, because that is nothing more than an informed opinion - which is still an opinion.

According to WP:PSTS Tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources. Furthermore, the site meets the guidelines of tertiary sources in that only makes descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and it makes no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source.

According to the IMDB article, IMDB is a tertiary source that works a lot like Wikipedia but in this case the contributors are paid to research the data it compiles. Amazon, its parent, does use the research to build its web store pages, but the site itself is not designed to be a commercial advertising source. The site is is an outgrowth of the message boards from the beginning of the internet and is still run by the founders. They do have limited ads to generate revenue but that does not make them an unreliable source, as almost all commercial sites do that.

The presence of a forum does not make a source unreliable as many sites accepted as secondary sources allow you to make commentary on articles, especially British and Australian newspapers such as the Sun and the Sydney Morning Herald. Some sites, such as the Boston Globe's Boston.com also include forums and blog sites as well, primarily for Boston sports teams, but blogs just the same. Are you going to say these sites are also unreliable too?

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 18:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

All my quotes are from the wikipedia page in this regard. (i posted the links above to read) But what are IMDB's sources? Just because it says it pays researchers doesn't make it reliable. According to wikipedia sites with amounts of advertisements can be refrained. And if you see IMDB's use of ads it is more than many you would find in External Links. Practically all pages on IMDB are web log's of opinion. At any rate, wikipedia policy also states "Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links, or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links." Meaning even one is not necessary, which this site already has. Lihaas (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Canadian athlete

I added the reference to the athlete because I couldn't find a page on him but don't yet know enough to make him worth a whole biography. If you think it is seriously out of place and remove it I will not be throwing my toys out of the pram.Cottonshirt (talk) 12:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You should really have a him on another disambiguation page. Maybe a link on the top saying for the "canadian athlete named...go here" Lihaas (talk) 18:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to apologize for sockpuppeting

I owe Jeremy and the other talk page members of this page an apology. I created a lot of sockpuppets and was banned for it. I recently came back a week or two ago and promised wikipedia that I would behave. So I will try to keep this talk page clean and safe this time. So no more sockpuppets. I promise. Plyjacks (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Always good when someone changes ways. :) Indianparttime2 (talk) 01:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

"The Code"

This paragraph is uncited and, to a non-expert on clowns, very unclear:

McDonald's marketing designers and stylists changed elements of the Ronald McDonald character, persona, style, costume and clown face when they adopted the clown as a trademark, possibly in deference to "The Code", the tradition of clowns to scrupulously avoid copying other clowns' appearance or performance style. Steve Dufour (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

photo

photo one. we seem to have two photos of Ronald, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatlefan97 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

George Voorhis "enjoined" not to portray Ronald...

This is totally fictitious. He was Ronald McDonald in Southern California for 20 years, from 1967 until early 1988 before his death later that year. Jimmknows —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmknows (talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Removed the unverified/unverifiable comment that Voorhis was enjoined from performing as Ronald McDonald. In fact he did perform as Ronald for twenty years. --JimmKnows (talk) 02:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, jimmy, he performed as ronald in 1963 for the first time, and yes, there was a court injunction after he had played ronald for decades. George and Terry both were there when he told me. i worked with both of them pretty constantly from 1980 to a couple years before he died. also i always saw his name written as Voorhees not with an 'I". he may very well have performed for 20 years but out of the blue they hit him with an injunction, after stealing the character without paying for it. The year 1967 is an error too, i have seen Terry's clipping from george (& Terry's) first job as Ronald. The Willard Scott costume was an almost note-for-note ripoff of the Voorhees/Teene collaboration, with the extremely notable exception that Willard Scott's face looked like crap compared to the clean lines of George and Terry's version. 76.91.13.137 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC). User:Pedant (talk)

Viv Weekes

Viv Weekes was also known as Yo Yo The Yellow House Clown on channel 7 and he also portrayed Ronald McDonald for a short time but was was not tall enough to continue in the role. this is why i have added his name into the article.

Zt1993 (talk) 11:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

India is not a Buddhist country

The author uses the phrase "India and other Buddhist countries [...]". India has been a secular nation since independence and Hinduism is practiced by the majority. I suggest removing the word "other". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.195.118.160 (talk) 05:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The context here is about the hands gesture (palms together) found throughout the East.

The oldest appearance of this gesture is around 4000 years ago on clay seals found in the Indus Valley Civilization. The use seemed to be, as now, a gesture of acknowledgement and respect. I am not sure when and how it first came to be used in the West. 8 July 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.187.55 (talk) 22:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

see ancient depiction at http://www.khandro.net/mysterious_naga.htm 9 August 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.119.202 (talk) 09:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Definition of "including"?

[...] Ronald McDonald [is] able to speak 31 different languages including Mandarin, Dutch, Tagalog, and Hindi.

He's probably also able to speak German, French, Italian and Spanish. Why don't you put these languages there?

(a.k.a. I don't suppose 'Dutch' is right in that list)

87.65.71.208 (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Actors

Among the actors who have played Ronald McDonald here in Canada was my own cousin, Cary Arthur Durrant, with whom, ironically, I do not have good relations because he is a smoker and I am a nonsmoker. This may have been the reason I did not shake hands with the Ronald McDonald who came to our school - he may have been my now 50+ year old cousin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.162.137 (talk) 17:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it really true that several actors have played Ronald on the TV commericials, for all my life (since 78) it's seemed to be the same person, at least with the same voice, of course it could just be dubbed, who's voice is it then? I really don't even like clowns, just wondered who the actor was The snare (talk) 08:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Donald McDonald

I'm sorry, but according to the A&E Biography on the MCDONALD'S empire, Mr. Scott's character was called DONALD McDonald, not Ronald McDonald. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.162.137 (talk) 18:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC) Does anyone know what the name of the man is who does the comercial for mcdonald recently is? What is the name of the current offical Ronald McDonald actor? Civilian knowledge (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Missing mascot?

you forgot Hamburgler! [check spelling on his name] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.119.129 (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC) poo

Edit request from Michaelhoit, 1 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

In 1980, there were over 10 commercials (15-, 30-, and 60-second) that aired featuring another actor, Michael Hoit, as Ronald McDonald. It seems that King Moody, the actor portraying Ronald during that time, had to undergo surgery and was unable to do the commercials. Michael Hoit, who had previously starred on Broadway in Godspell and the revival of Hair, had auditioned several years prior. Then, in July of 1979, he was flown out to the Osmond Ranch in Utah and "secretly" screen tested. When it became necessary, he was hired to do the commercials which aired throughout 1980. Three of the major, 60-second commercials featuring him were commercials that included Birdie, the Breakfast Bird (the title of which was possibly "On Target for Breakfast"); "Runaway Dinner" co-starring everyone's favorite purple character, Grimace; and "Star Bright, Dinner Tonight" co-starring Jason Hervey as the little boy. A 30-second commercial for McDonald's breakfast entitled "Get Out of Bed, Sleepyhead" with Michael Hoit as Ronald can be viewed on YouTube. It can be found using the search criteria "vintage mcdonalds commercial 1980". Additionally, Mr. Hoit was in two 15-second Spanish-language McDonald's commercials.

Michaelhoit (talk) 17:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve the article. Do you have any reliable sources to support these factual changes? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit suggestion for article; heading "Localisation in other countries"

I would like to have the following or similar added under the above existing heading, along with the sentence about a Japanese Ronald McDonald (The bold is my edit, the italic is the original.): Japanese McDonald's advertisements for the Tomato McGrand feature a "sexy" female and male[1] version of Ronald McDonald; both of whom have no known name. --MithrandirAgain (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Vegetarian Ronald McDonald...?

Has there previously been any mention of the actor who played Ronald McDonald in Canada (Geoffrey Giuliano)? Has there been any consideration of the same?

He was a vegetarian before taking on the role of Ronald McDonald; is mention of the same appropriate given the present tone of the article?

idfubar (talk) 07:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I was looking for him too. Here is a site that mentions him: http://www.thenazareneway.com/vegetarian/ronald_mcdonald_is_now_a_vegetar.htm

He may have been working for McDonalds of Canada. But some newspapers called him the original RM

Turns out that there is a Wiki article: Geoffrey Giuliano.Myrvin (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

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Please update the page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

Under the image in the top right:

"One of Ronald McDonald in Tailand in 2005."

This seems badly in need of editing for grammar and spelling - Thailand is wrong, and "one of Ronald McDonald" is not grammatically correct. I think.

Psycholera (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Dose Ronald McDonald have large feet

I have been wondering as to wether or not Ronald McDonald has large feet or just has large shoses? all awnsers will be apreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.172.185 (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC) Both? Whatever it is, Ronald is creepy, and that is a fact!(MaxRebo120 (talk) 01:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC))

Large shoes, originally made by Van's and now discontinued. 76.91.13.137 (talk) 01:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC) User:Pedant (talk)

Donald in Japan

I've never seen more than anecdotal evidence that Ronald is "Donald" in Japan because of the "R" sound. While not pronounced the same, ir would certainly be transliterated in the proper way. It was initially chosen to avoid disrespect of confusion with Ranald MacDonald who is a somewhat important figure in the nation's history and written about in most history textbooks. If there is no objection I think that the reasoning behind the name change in Japan should be deleted and only the fact that the name was changed be left. Vendo Thefastlane (talk) 09:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedee and Ronald mascots

The "Speedee" mascot sign shows a "chef" holding a notice saying "I'm Speedee". This was later updated to a "clown" mascot called "Ronald". My understanding is that Richard McDonald was the chef that cooked the burgers so presumably the Speedee character is based on Richard. Both Richard and Ronald share the same surname and both have a first name that begins with an R and ends with a d. 8 July 2011

The name was a creation of George Voorhees and Terry Teene. Ronald McDonald was created from scratch with no input or advice from McDonald's and in fact, in the first published image of Ronald, his name is given as Ronald MacDonald -- not 'mc' but 'mac'. According to both of them as told directly to me, they created the costume, face and name, after being hired to play a clown at an l.a. area McD's, just play a clown, not invent a mascot and give it to the restaurant for free. Since McDonalds never paid them for the character, or face, or costume, that's essentially what they did, create the world's most recognizable costume and character for free. 76.91.13.137 (talk) 02:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)User:Pedant (talk)

I don't care who created Ronald McDonald anymore. All I care about is that I don't want them to retire Ronald McDonald at all. Keith G.J. Cody (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 September 2012

174.61.167.217 (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC) David Hussey never played the part of Ronald McDonald. There are no sources cited or confirming this as fact. He is a working actor in hollywood, and this is hurting his career and reputation as a "serious" actor. Please remove ASAP.

Please change this:

Willard Scott (Washington, D.C. 1963–1965) Bev Bergeron (Southern California, 1966–1968) George Voorhis (Southern California, 1968–1988) Ray Rayner (1968–1969) Bob Brandon (1970–1975) King Moody (1975–1984) Squire Fridell (1984–1991) Jack Doepke (1990–1995) Viv Weekes David Hussey Joe Maggard (1995–2007) Brad Lennon (2007–present)[8

To look like this:

Willard Scott (Washington, D.C. 1963–1965) Bev Bergeron (Southern California, 1966–1968) George Voorhis (Southern California, 1968–1988) Ray Rayner (1968–1969) Bob Brandon (1970–1975) King Moody (1975–1984) Squire Fridell (1984–1991) Jack Doepke (1990–1995) Viv Weekes Joe Maggard (1995–2007) Brad Lennon (2007–present)[8

Best,

Mike Burns info@c3mproductions.com

Done. I've removed all the unsourced actors. --Daniel 17:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Logorama

Need to show fact he was in Logorama as violent criminal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.211.80 (talk) 15:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Ronald McDonald Insanity

Ran Ran Ru (Japanese: らんらんるー or ランランルー) is a series of MAD video remixes based on Japanese commercials involving Ronald McDonald, also known in Japan as “Donald McDonald” (ドナルド・マクドナルド).[1][2] “Ran Ran Ru” is a gimmicky expression used by Ronald, usually in combination with hand gestures to signify happiness.

Between 2004 and 2007, a series of small ads named “Ronald Rumors” (Japanese: ドナルドのうわさ – Donald no uwasa) were broadcast on Japanese television. They featured a Japanese version of Ronald McDonald asking trivial questions about himself. The answers were then posted on the official McDonald’s website. These ads were mostly targeted towards children and, in most of them, Ronald is doing his infamous “Ran Ran Ru”

Prior to this video remix meme, Donald himself has been already utilized in online parodies such as photo collages in Futaba Channel (2chan) or Shift-JIS arts in 2channel since early 2000s. Famous ones are a reaction image/Shift-JIS art called “You, Step Outside” (お前ら表へ出ろ)[3]

Seeing a huge potential in these short commercials, Nico Nico Douga (NND) users were the first to jump on the remixes. Some created liquidized versions of the Ran Ran Ru commercial to make the MADs either scarier or funnier. The first MAD using Ran Ran Ru was uploaded on NND on May 3rd 2007, mashing the commercial with clips from the Japanese TV series Ultraman Mebius.[4] On December 6th 2007, another remix was uploaded on NND mashing up Ran Ran Ru with the song U.N. Owen Was Her? from the popular game series Touhou Project.[5] However, the most infamous MAD that exposed Ran Ran Ru and popularized U.N. Owen Was Her in western audiences was uploaded to NND on January 1st, 2008.[6] The video was reuploaded to YouTube the same day by YouTube user mrhorseshoe, which has accumulated over 5 million views:

Ran Ran Ru is one of three fads that exploded around the same time, including Werther’s Original and Nerunerunerune, and have been called “The Three Major Religions on NND” (ニコニコ三大宗教, NicoNico Sandai Syūkyō).[7] Since 2008, many thousands of videos related to the crown and his catchphrase have been posted to NND.[8]

Outside of Japan

The irrational fear towards clowns often developed by people[9] contributed to the popularity of this meme gained outside of Japan. In a March 11, 2010 an article on the Australian site PC World listed Ronald McDonald Insanity as one of the most disturbing YouTube videos of all time.[10] Therefore, many people outside of Japan started uploading duplicate copies of related videos to YouTube. “Ronald McDonald Insanity” and sometimes other related videos would often be used mostly by U.S. Internet users as a bait and switch similar to the practice of Rickrolling and would be dubbed the “McRoll’d”.

M.U.G.E.N Ronald was introduced as a playable character in the customizing freeware fighting game engine M.U.G.E.N on December 17th 2007 by a Japanese M.U.G.E.N contributor kishio. Some of Ronald’s voice samples are borrowed directly from the commercials, while his sprites were borrowed and modified from Dio Brando’s sprites in Capcom’s JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure fighting game for the Sony PlayStation.

McGiygas

A Ran Ran Ru MAD showing Ronald syncing to the BGM heard at the first part of the final boss character Giygas from the SNES game EarthBound, was recently made to contribute to the Ran Ran Ru meme. The MAD was originally uploaded on NND. but when this Ronald “counterpart” appeared on the Western web, several native English speakers (especially the ones in North America) referred to it as “McGiygas”

In 2013, Aside marking the beginning of the new year, January 1 was also the 5th anniversary of one of Japan’s most beloved and strangest viral videos: Ronald McDonald Insanity. To celebrate the 5-year anniversary of this timeless classic, a group of three Niconico users have joined forces to remix a tribute that may just top the original in insanity. They made a sequal.

Like the Ronald McDonald Insanity, this video was initially posted to Niconico, where it currently has a comfortable 150,000 views.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by YearledMcDonald (talk • contribs) 5:52 am, June 28, 2014‎ (UTC-7)

Unclear 1st sentence in "McDonald's version" subsection

The first sentence in the "McDonald's version" subsection reads: McDonald's does not mention Voorhis or claim that Willard Scott created Ronald in their statement:...; however, it is unclear who Voorhis is. It appears to be George Voorhis based on the infobox, but he is not identified anywhere in the preceding sections. --momoricks 19:02, 26 August 2014 (UTC)