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A poor article: it sounds as though it was written in a fit of exasperation by a follower of Pir Roshan with a chip on his/her shoulder about Roshan's detractors. As someone who came to read about Roshaniyya, I've learned nothing here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.181.60.179 (talk) 23:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - this article has NPOV issues and needs to be re-written and expanded - this is an important subject and this Order is much older than is stated here valkyree 23:14, 21 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyree (talk • contribs)

Notability and is this Afghan or Pakistani?

Why is this in the Afghan stubs, Pir Roshan was Waziristan and was literally born on what is now a territory of present day Afghanistan. Secondly this article isnt notable, because it is lacking resources. It should be merged with Pir Roshan because his article as refferences that verify him and also his notability. --75.159.2.59 (talk) 21:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This sect, not "order", was certainly not an "Order of the Quest" as the writer says; perhaps the writer lacks knowledge or is showing-off and sensational - or both, but the Roshaniyya was an Islamic heresy combining some local mystic traditions that arose in India and the regions now comprising Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 16th century. The Order of the Quest is a European Masonic term, and this sect was far from anything European or Masonic. It had mainly Afridi and Yusufzai Pashtun tribal adherents, and was used as a vehicle against the Mughal emperor Akbar by his enemies including the Pashtuns. But in the end, it was crushed by the Mughal state and Islamic orthodoxy together after which the reactionary minded and opportunistic Pashtun population also treacherously abandoned it. Due to the fact that its founder Bayazid Ansari (or Pir-i-Rokhan, his title) was from the Urmar clan resident in the Pashtun hinterland (but was born in Jullundhur in India), he has become popular with modern day Pashtun "nationalists" as a handy and convenient icon for their creed, and they have bestowed and garnished his image with many newfangled and baseless tales in this regard. This cult still has a tiny following in India, based around the lineal descendents of Bayazid Ansari, who fled there after he and his sons were killed, and surrendered to Akbar on the promise of good conduct and behaviour in exchange for his pardon - which he gave them. For details, refer to the seminal book "The Pathans", by Sir Olaf Caroe. I wouldn't advise readers to accept any of the nonsensical and embellished versions of this cult's history put out by the Pashtun nationalist coterie. ARIF AKHUNDZADA

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