Talk:Rumba

Rumba vs. son

Rumba is based on rumba clave, whereas son is based on the son clave. There is a rhythmic difference at the third note of the 3/2 clave. Also, African rhumba is based on the rumba clave and not on the son clave.

Mexican origin?

I deleted this:

Rumba is a family of music rhythms and dance styles that originated in the Mexican civilizations from the time of the Toltecs. and were introduced to the Caribbean over the centuries. The tribal dances were all very limited, West Indians or Africans. But the Mexican civilizations had "Professional" dancers whose whole lives were spent in the dance and had perhaps 5000 different dances at their peak with the Mayans. Rumba may refer to:

Are there any verifiable sources that confirm the mexican origin of Rumba stated here? Rumba shows very clear traces of african origin and the surviving forms of mexican precolumbian dance and rhythms are so different that this theory seems totaly wrong.--Cha daniels (talk) 14:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The rumba is awesome and you can learn it at legs dance studio in tuggeranong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.145.168 (talk) 06:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Rumba "rhythm" vs. Rumba "clave"?

The five-note pattern rumba clave is well-known. What is this eight-note "rumba rhythm"? The cited work is a general textbook on music theory, not any special source on Afro-Cuban music, rumba, etc.

MusicScience (talk) 16:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

This is anything but not a rumba rhythm! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.113.85.91 (talk) 11:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This article is a mess

Cuban Rumba has little to do with spanish rumba, i suggest this to be article to be merged with cuban rumba — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.105.6.12 (talk) 04:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• not completely. I agree that the section on Cuban Rumba should be merged with the full article Cuban Rumba (it is almost all there anyway). But I think we should keep the article Rumba, with the first sections: a general explanation, an overview of the different directions that Rumba takes, and a list of the types of Rumba with the corresponding wikilinks.--Megustalastrufas (talk) 08:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ye. I agree please I am looking for Cuban rumba. This didn't help me at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.83.134 (talk) 02:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Rumba ought to disambiguate, not mislead

As explained above by other users, this article has been an absolute mess: duplicating the content of Cuban rumba and misleading the reader to believe that Cuban rumba, ballroom rumba, Congolese rumba etc. belong in the same "family of percussive rhythms" which is false. It is basically an essay by David Peñalosa quoting and citing his own books! (COI + OR) The term rumba must be a disambiguation page or otherwise redirect to Cuban rumba. There is no other solution to this terrible article. The disambiguation is the best option since there are different genres named rumba all over the world with completely different histories (Cuba, the US, Congo, Spain, Colombia, etc.). Neodop (talk) 12:09, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

You may have a point, but this is not the way to do it. You have executed a cut-and-paste move, which is forbidden. Therefore I will have to revert you once again. If you would like to move the disambiguation page, you should file a move request. The chances of it being accepted, however, are slim, as Rumba, as a music style, is a rather clear primary topic. If you disagree with the content of the article, you should modify it to make it more neutral. --Midas02 (talk) 13:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Midas02: Unless you clarify what you mean by "rumba as a dance" I do not understand your willingness to keep this misleading article (do you mean Cuban rumba, ballroom rumba, rumba flamenca, rumba catalana, Congolese rumba or something else?). As it stands, the rumba article refers to Cuban rumba, and it disambiguates the other genres. So it is half a duplicate article and half a disambiguation. This obviously needs to be corrected as explained in my previous post. It is not a cut and paste move since this article already disambiguates the music genres known as rumba. Neodop (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

What you just described is called a broad concept article. It is basically a high-level article that gives an overview of the different, but strongly related, meanings of a given topic. It allows to explain the primary meaning without having to resort to a disambiguation page. Your latest changes fit that purpose just fine. --Midas02 (talk) 00:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Scope of this article

As suggested by Midas02, this article is a broad-concept article meant to disambiguate the different (although somewhat related) meanings of the term rumba around the world. So it's essentially a disambiguation page with descriptions. Introducing the article by stating that it is an "abstract term" is incredibly misleading and also incorrect as we are no longer in the 19th century. Etymological considerations ought to be covered in the article about Cuban rumba. Moreover, descriptions in this article should be properly balanced. Having three paragraphs about Galician rumba, a barely documented, nearly extinct style of music, is an example of undue weight. Finally, I would like to mention that self-published texts (be it in academia.edu, scribd or elsewhere) are generally discouraged when there are published works on the same topic (e.g. by Fernando Ortiz, etc.). Following these guidelines and for the benefit of the reader I shall:

• Restore the former dead simple intro which makes it clear that rumba may refer to completely different genres of music, not "abstract" concepts.
• Move all newly-introduced semantic/etymological considerations to the article on Cuban rumba.
• Trim excessive detail already present verbatim in other articles.
• Finally, I also think it is very misleading to name the sections "Rumba in X" since it makes the reader think that it is the same kind of rumba in different countries, when in reality they are largely unrelated.

Neodop (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Improvements reverted

I tried to make a couple of improvements to the article but they were reverted wholly without much consideration. I will not try further and I leave the article to the WP:OWNER. If someone else would like to edit it, my version is here [[1]]. Volunteer1234 (talk) 04:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)