Talk:Run the World (Jennifer Lopez song)

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Former good articleRun the World (Jennifer Lopez song) was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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July 18, 2012Articles for deletionKept
September 15, 2012Good article nomineeListed
April 2, 2018Articles for deletionNo consensus
January 30, 2022Articles for deletionRedirected
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 1, 2012.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Rick Ross was to be featured on Jennifer Lopez's song "Run the World", but his rap was removed from the song shortly before its commercial release?
Current status: Delisted good article

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Lil-unique1 (talk · contribs) 00:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Primary review[edit]

First Round - Completed
Will begin review soon! — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 00:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
References - PLEASE DO FIRST
  • Delink Rap-Up in reference five.
  • Ref 8 is missing author's last name?
  • Ref 9, author's name isn't known. its not Gatecrasher.
  • Ref 12, add date and add publisher: New York Media
  • Ref 13, add publisher and date, consistant with other Rap-Up references
  • Ref 14, add author
  • Ref 18, add author
  • Ref 19 needs to be made consistant with the other MTV source.
  • Ref 24, add author
  • Ref 25, "Thursday" isn't the author's name.
  • I will get to these in a bit. I thought I had already fixed up the refs before I nominated the article, I guess not. I rely too much on Webreflinks, I know. xD Zac  22:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • LOL, I just noticed that you said "PLEASE DO FIRST". >.> Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Zac  22:49, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Introduction
  • No dabs.  Done
  • Terius "The Dream " → said person is never referred to this in way. Either call him "The-Dream" or "Terius Nash".
  • the sentences don't read well or flow well. Try
    • "Written and produced by The-Dream and Tricky Stewart, "Run the World" was one of several songs recorded with The-Dream and Stewart following Lopez's move from Epic Records to Island Records. Originally the track featured vocals from The-Dream and a rap verse from American rapper Rick Ross however the rap verse was removed during mastering process and The-Dream was credited with background vocals instead."
  •  Done Zac  22:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "type of love when you come together you make each other better" → if this is a quote then it needs a reference per WP:LEAD
  •  Done Zac  22:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Background
  • This sentence "Ross' rap was removed at the last minute, with it still being reported in February 2011, three months before the release of Love?, that he was featured on the track." isn't written well. How about In a February 2011 article about the then-upcoming release of Love? by Rap-Up magazine, Lopez called "Run the World" featuring Ross one of her favourite songs on the album. Three months later upon release, it was evidence that Ross' verse was removed during mastering process.?
  •  Done Zac  22:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • add date for Rap-Up reference.
Music and lyrics
  • "Run the World" has been cited as bringing back the old school feel of Lopez's single → been cited by who? in fact the whole sentance is a copy from the source. Needs paraphrasing properly or quoting properly.
  •  Done Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • add reference after "then-husband Marc Anthony".
  •  Done Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • add reference after "and that's when you can really run the world".
  •  Done Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sentence ""Run the World" contains an optimistic message and upbeat melody, in which Lopez sings: "Our love could run the world"." is copy-pasted. Paraphrase or quote properly. → also the upbeat bit clashes with the first bit of the section which says mid-tempo. Upbeat is usually associated with up-tempo.
  • It is most certainly not copy and pasted. The source states: "With an optimistic message and upbeat melody, the song is a winner." The melody of the song is upbeat, but the song itself is a mid-tempo song. Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Compared side-by-side its copy pasting and incorrectly quoted. Changing the order of a line from a source and then writing it word for word is still copy-pasting. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
reference: Lopez sings, “Our love could run the world.” With an optimistic message and upbeat melody, the song is a winner.
your version: "Run the World" contains an optimistic message and upbeat melody, in which Lopez sings: "Our love could run the world"
I have to disagree. "an optimistic message and upbeat melody" is what the reviewer says the song contains, I can't rewrite that and it's not something that would require quotations. Zac  22:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You should look up the definition of WP:COPYPASTE. If you did this in an academic peice of writing and it was run through plagarism software it would come up as an infringement. It is something which requires quotations. You could say according to XYZ "'Run the World' contains an optimistic message and upbeat melody", ABC particularly noted the lyric "Our love could run the world" as a good example of the optimism in the song. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I understand what you mean now.  Done Zac  23:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "who has explored the topic of love since the start of her career" → this quote floats in the middle of nowhere. Did Lopez say it? Did MTV say it? It should be according to XYZ, ...." Also the whole sentence reads wrong, it doesn't really connect to the next part of the text.
  • It's basically just a known fact that MTV commented on. I think it's important to note, but I agree that it reads weird how it currently is. Do you have a suggestion? Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
you could find a reference for each of her albums (maybe a review) which mentions the word love as a common theme. Fix that first then we can look at how its phrased. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk]
Why exactly is that necessary? I have a source that says it directly. Zac  22:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I misread your comment above, what I meant was you could reorganise so that you mention the songs and then say "according to MTV, the topic of love is something which has always been present in Lopez's music dating back to the start of her career." — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Removed that part, as I can't really get it in right so it flows perfectly. Zac  23:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The songs she mentioned have all been cited as being about her relationship with Anthony. → where and by who? — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk]
  • It appears that I randomly added that in without a source.  Removed Zac  22:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also "herself" is redundent. Lopez, herself, stated → Lopez stated that
  •  Done Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following the announcement of Lopez and Anthony's split two months after the release of Love?, it was speculated that the album also contained references to the ending of their marriage. → this is speculation and coming from a tabloid trashy magazine like OK!, it is not acceptable for a good article. If Lopez was having marital problems and mentioned it before the album release that's fine but a trashy magazine making the link for us after the album doesnt stand up to scrutiny.
  •  Removed Zac  22:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Critical reception
  • You start with saying were generally positive but then open with a negative critique.
  • every single sentence afterwards begins "Reviewer name" of "publication". this is bad prose. Mix it up a little bit please.
  •  Done Zac  22:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try to band the three negative reviews together. also 5 positive vs 3 negative reviews is more like mixed reviews rather than generally positive.
  •  I've changed to mixed, I guess I didn't update this after I found more negative reviews. Zac  22:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Summary
There is potential but its feels rushed and little care has been taken over copying and paraphrasing. Also try to read the whole article and then you'll get a feel for the prose and whether it needs improvement. On hold, will review upon completion of the above. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary Review[edit]

Introduction
  • Replace "recorded with The-Dream and Stewart" with "recorded with the duo". → Tricky & The-Dream mentioned too many times in same paragraph.
  • rapper Rick Ross however the → rapper Rick Ross however, the
  • replace: Reason: the suggested replacement text is more encylopedic and better written
    • According to Lopez, "Run the World" is about a "type of love when you come together you make each other better"[1]. She cited her relationship with then-husband Marc Anthony to be that type of love, stating that she believes that they have made each other better artists and people. with
    • According to Lopez, "Run the World" is a song about the "type of love when you come together you make each other better;" noting that she shared that love with then-husband Marc Antony. Relating the song to Antony, Lopez said she believes they have made each other better artists and people.[1]
  • that has been cited as bringing back the old school feel of Lopez's single → which critics compared to previous single "Jenny from the Block."
  • acclaim → response acclaim generally means positive reception.
  • add comment about the negative critism, e.g. although some critics criticised the mid-tempo production and reliance on auto-tune.
Reception
Misc/other
  • image and sound sample should be presented opposite to each other i.e. one to the left one to the right.
  • these are the final changes really. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 20:54, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  •  All done. Zac  22:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Run the World (song) → Run the World – Run the World is currently a dab page consisting of three different songs. "Run the World", "Run the World (Girls)" and "Everybody Wants to Run the World". A dab page is completely unnecessary as only one of these songs are called "Run the World", the rest just have similarities in titles.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 14:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I agree. — ΛΧΣ21 03:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There are really only two arguable matches, since a reader might mistake "(Girls)" for a disambiguator, but this is still a situation that can easily be handled with a hatnote. bd2412 T 17:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the face of it this could be resolved with {{not to be confused}} — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 18:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 16 June 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Original intent was to bring the other song to this title. Oppose votes on song title differences have not been countered. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 01:02, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Run the World → Run the World (Jennifer Lopez song) – The Beyoncé song Run the World (Girls) is likely to be the desired topic of readers searching for "run the world". On top of the fact Beyoncé's song is certified Gold and (Multi-)Platinum in several countries, and the Jennifer Lopez song is a random album track that arguably doesn't even meet Wikipedia's notability standards (another discussion for another day), the Lopez song article receives very low traffic. It receives on average 9 views a day, compared to 420 for the Beyoncé song (link) (Can't get the link to work without using a ref: apologies.) "Run the World" should redirect to Run the World (Girls), and the Jennifer Lopez song article needs to have a disambiguated title.

I boldly moved the article yesterday, due to the previous RM taking place 3 years ago, attracting comments from only a small handful of editors, and focusing more on getting rid of a disambiguation page than whether or not a song is a primary topic or not. However, I was reverted by SSTflyer who did not even object to the move, but solely because of the previous RM. A little bureaucratic if you ask me, but in any case now we're here. Chase (talk | contributions) 21:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, the other song is "Run the World (Girls)," not "Run the World." As this is the only thing known as "Run the World," disambiguation here is unnecessary. We have a hatnote in place for those looking for the Beyonce song. -- Tavix (talk) 00:54, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose per Tavix. It's true that most search results for "run the world about the Beyoncé song, but that song is almost never known as just "Run the World". SSTflyer 08:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirected[edit]

This song didn't chart and does not pass WP:GNG so have redirected it to the Album. AIRcorn (talk) 20:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Richhoncho: Being a good article does not confer any special protection on an article and it can be merged, redirected, deleted, stubified, tagged etc like any other one. If you believe this article is notable enough for its own article let me know and I will start an AFD. AIRcorn (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Take it to AFD, by all means, if you so wish, community consensus would be preferable. I do assume good faith insomuch that those that reviewed the article for GA were aware of WP:NSONGS and WP:GNG. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see it went there before, but most of those were just a votes so I will give it a crack. Good Articles are not concerned with notability (see Wikipedia:What the Good article criteria are not#Beyond the scope). AIRcorn (talk) 23:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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