Talk:Russian emigration during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

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On 2 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Russian emigration following the Russian invasion of Ukraine to Russian emigration during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The result of the discussion was moved.

The page is obsolete[edit]

https://www.europeantimes.news/2022/05/how-many-people-left-russia-because-of-the-war/ 150,000 according to Florinskaya.Xx236 (talk) 08:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"following"[edit]

See RM for further discussion. HappyWith (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't the title use the word "during" rather than "following"? "following" suggests the war has ended. HappyWith (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 February 2024[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move despite some opposition. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Russian emigration following the Russian invasion of Ukraine → Russian emigration during the Russian invasion of Ukraine – Like I've stated on the talk page, "following" makes it seem like the invasion is over, which it isn't. "During" is more clear. I was tempted to just boldly move the page myself but I think there's a chance this is controversial so I'm making it an RM. HappyWith (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The proposed use of "during" does indeed represent more intuitive phraseology. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as an improvement. "Due to" could have also been a good alternative, "during" feels a bit awkward to me. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 11:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's another good alternative I thought of, but I was concerned it might be controversial by asserting that all the Russians left directly because of the invasion. HappyWith (talk) 13:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, isn't the scope Russians that left directly because of the invasion? Even if others (a minority in comparison) left for unrelated reasons as it had been taking place for years. Such a thing would rather belong in a hypothethical Emigration from Russia article. Though I see your point, perhaps "during" is more appropriate as we have no way of distinguishing how many Russians left for what reason. Will leave this to other users. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 13:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- once the invasion is over, would we not have to rename the article yet again since any related emigration would no longer be "during"? I might suggest the language "as a consequence of" rather than "following" or during. MartinezMD (talk) 17:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be also fine with "as a result of". HappyWith (talk) 11:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would say the "invasion" was the initial movement of troops into Ukraine in the first few weeks, so "during the invasion" could be deemed to refer only to that period. The 2014 takeover of Crimea could be considered an invasion too. Perhaps Russian emigration since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine would be more concise? Number 5 7 16:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Since" doesn’t work because after the war ends, it will no longer make sense. On WP, we’ve defined the “invasion” as being the whole full-scale war since Feb 2022. HappyWith (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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