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Self published

The only self-published sources I see are their YouTube videos, which are referenced for their descriptions. I do not believe they are being used inappropriately. I want to remove the tag, but I'd like some input first. Airplaneman talk 15:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree and have removed the tag. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i just got my wikipedia up and wanted to ask you how to make that User: come off my name. --12.97.13.98 (talk) 05:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

removal of unreferenced text

  • section 'Videography': not a single reference to any video: how I know, may be someone invented a dozen of titles, just for kicks.
  • section 'copyright violation': not a single reference which discusses copyvio/removal: only links to youtube videos.
  • Section "background": no references about "success, or "series", only lilks to youtube with edit comment "The following reference proves that the video is private and that it garnered much success because of the 18 mln" - this constiti]utes original reseaarch. Laudak (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Section 'Ninja Melk' - only link to video, no references to any test which discusses it and supports the wikipedia text.

Numerous restoration of unreferenced information constitutes grave violation of wikipedia policies. Laudak (talk) 16:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

First of all, if any one is gravely violating policy, it is you. The videography text has been restored by several established editors and you have been told why multiple times. You have ignored these explanations and unilaterally reverted. This is called edit warring and IS against policy.
Furthermore, it is absolutely untrue that simply facts - like a summary of video contents - have to be sourced to third party sources. If you don't believe the descriptions, feel free to watch the videos and verify it yourself. However, you insistence of third party sourcing is not supported by policy.
As to the other sections, the copyright violation section properly doesn't belong, although it is true. Most of the rest of the info is appropriately sourced to primary sources. Again, the use of primary sources, while not ideal, certainly is acceptable. If you don't believe me, see WP:PRIMARY which I quote here for convenience:
Citing a video for a video's plot is exactly analogous to citing a novel for the novel's plot. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the Ninja Melt section as it gave undo weight to that video. (It wasn't OR though.) I have reworded some lines to remove the slight hint of OR and flagged the copyvio section for needing better refs. I will add some refs later.
Finally, I would like to point out that being unreferenced is insufficient reason to delete text. If it was, we wuld have to delete half our articles as being completely unreferenced. The correct thing to do is remove unreferenable text and false text, but not to remove true but unreferenced text. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Laudak, while I respect your views, I cannot say that I agree with them. Here's the stuff I was looking at when I talked to you earlier:
  1. WP:UCS
  2. WP:IAR?
  3. WP:PSTS
  4. WP:WIP
I was going to refer to them if you responded, but you didn't until now, so I thought it would be the perfect time to share. The first two are not official policies; rather, they are rules of thumb. I fail to see how removing the information helps the encyclopedia. The info cited with primary sources was by no means "controversial", as it was plainly a description of the videos Nigahiga posted. The info removed was by no means analytical, controversial (in the sense that people would disagree over the facts) nor unsourced. The info removed helps the reader learn more about Ryan and Sean. About Nigahiga's copyright violations: I cited my own channel to prove that the videos were removed (I had them favorited). That is hard to contest. May I please restore the info on the grounds that it will help the encyclopedia? Thank you, Airplaneman talk 21:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
ThaddeusB: I see you removed the ref to my channel. I'm not versed on that policy; was it inappropriate in the sense that it was to a YouTube channel? Regards, Airplaneman talk 21:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to put the removed sections in my sandbox for holding for now; anyone is welcome to improve upon it. Airplaneman talk 22:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, it's back on :). I'll help searching for refs. Airplaneman talk 22:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Move Article

Since Ryan, Sean, and the rest of the group is known as Nigahiga, isn't it better for the article to be titled Nigahiga? Mr. C.C. (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea to me. TNXMan 02:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I was trying to figure out why the article wasn't created there to begin with--it looks like this page started as a page for their movie, and morphed into this. Anthony Padilla and Ian Hecox are both covered as Smosh.--Milowent (talk) 06:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 Done --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know how to d the talk page, but we need to add Off The Pill: 2009 and I Broke My Nexus One to the video list. Also what's the difference between "private" and "removed"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.125.137 (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Airplaneman talk 21:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
As I understand it, "private" is for friends only, while "removed" means it's been taken off the site. Airplaneman talk 21:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Videography

Result: Oppose, if you deleted the videography section, then you would have to delete roles for actors, discography of recording artists, books of authors, etc.. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I really think this section needs to be pared down, if not removed entirely. Why does this group have a blurb for every single video they've released? It's unnecessary and a borderline advertisement. TNXMan 16:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is. If you start changing or removing that section, then you need to do it with all YouTuber articles. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 17:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know of any articles that list a videography like this one. To which ones specifically were you referring? TNXMan 19:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
KevJumba, Baba Ali, and Chris Crock (Although selected, still has some up) to name a few. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't really see why. Authors have lists of their books. Actors have lists of their roles. Why shouldn't videographers have lists of their videos? --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Exactly, it's the work they have done just like the roles an actor has done whether it be in movies, television, or stage. Or the albums an artist has put out. It is not necessary to pare down a list for no reason. So by Tnxman's thinking of removing a videographer's work, then would should remove an actor's roles, an recording artists discography, an author's books they have written, etc. as it is borderline advertisement. It's only advertisement if it is written in such a style. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm on the side of keeping it, per ThaddeusB and Fishhead2100. Airplaneman ✈ 20:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion on this talk page.
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Edit request from Atomforyou, 1 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I'd like to change the amount of videos he has from 56 to 58, this can be verified here: http://www.youtube.com/user/nigahiga#p/a I've also noticed that "How to be Gangster", a video which had been removed for copyright violations, was put back up on Youtube, although the circumstances around this is uncertain. EDIT: That'll work, I guess. Atomforyou (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Partly done:changed content to "their video number has dropped down signifigantly" Spitfire19 (Talk) 18:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

How to be emo, gangster, and ninja are back on nigahiga's channel.was comfirmed by ryan higa on youtube. (YABA99)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaba99 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from MrsHiga, 3 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

The videos: How to be Ninja, Gangsta and Emo are no longer on private. I know since I am a super awesome nigahiga fan. Please change this as I would prefer if Ryan came to see his page on Wikipedia it was not full of tiny mistakes about him and others.

Thank you

MrsHiga (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done:: trivia.Spitfire19 (Talk) 20:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I Had already mentioned this above (YABA99) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaba99 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Plan 9

Ryan is part of the cast for plan 9... the new horror... should be mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.207.247 (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Source? Airplaneman ✈ 19:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Looked at the page for Plan 9 From Outer Space, it was mentioned there, and cited this source: http://www.plan9movie.com/news.html I'm not sure whether it's acceptable or not, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomforyou (talk • contribs) 00:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Field of study

The article says he is studying film, yet according to West Hawaii Today he is studying nuclear medicine. I have also heard from others he desired to study science in college. Where is the source that said he was studying film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.19.159.69 (talk) 04:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, the current one's unsourced so I'm changing it. Thanks for catching the error! Airplaneman ✈ Review? 03:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Turns out he switched majors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbo3JxUdimQ&NR=1 Airplaneman ✈ Review? 04:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I've been proven wrong then, thanks for clearing up the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.146.207 (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Videography Removed

Why was the videography removed? We had a discussion about this and the result was keep. I say put the videography back and have a familiar discussion because it seems as though no discussion was made a second time about removing it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

It was made in this edit. I think the edit summary, "unsourced opinion and commentary", was at least partially misleading, given that there was a source presented. Airplaneman ✈ 03:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
See here for the previous discussion. Airplaneman ✈ 03:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
And now it has been added back. Airplaneman ✈ 03:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I just added it back because removing a videography would be like removing an actors roles, a musicians discography, an authors books, etc.. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, the edit summary should have been "no secondary sources indicating this is anything more than original research based on primary sourcing" ~ Active Banana ( bananaphone 12:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
May you take a look at ThaddeusB's first post here? This is my reasoning as well. What better place to find a list of videos than YouTube itself? I do think the videography should be reinstated, but without the blurbs, which is what I think you were removing it for. How does that sound? Airplaneman ✈ 16:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm on the fence about it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
A musician's article will not list every single ever recorded, but will frequently list all albums recorded, or singles that charted. Likewise, an television actor's article will not include every episode that they have appeared in but will list the series. Is there a similar way that we can look at the videos? It seems to me that listing every video is the equivilent of listing every episode/single rather than the series/albums/individually released charting singles. Active Banana ( bananaphone 19:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I think listing every video would be fine. I think fishhead was thinking more along the lines of an actor's listing of movies/films they have acted in. You do have a point, though. If we decide not to list every video, I don't think we need a section at all. Instead, we cover his videos in more detail in the "content" section. Here, how about I draft it below:

Removed, might be put back in: a 26 minute short film about ninjas. The plot revolves around Lapchung (played by Bryson Murata) hiring Ryan and Sean to become ninjas to catch the evil Bokchoy (played by Tim Enos) and his henchwoman, Gina (played by Tarynn Nago).<ref name="ninjamelk">{{cite web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIz3cb_igD4|title=Ninja Melk|last=Higa|first=Ryan|coauthors=Fujiyoshi, Sean|date=24 August 2009|work=Video|publisher=[[YouTube]]|accessdate=29 November 2009}}</ref>

How's that? Airplaneman ✈ 19:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I still think that it is excessive detail, but in a choice between the current and this, I could live with this. Active Banana ( bananaphone 22:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Going back to Banana's first comment and I all know is that nobody, including me, has bothered to add the content of the videos into the main body of the article. If that was wanting to have been done, then it should have done so all along instead of removing the videography out right. In regards to saying that artists don't have every single listed, but a lot of artists have singles listed that never charted. All I am saying is that Nigahiga uses YouTube to put out videos and is the top channel on YouTube or one of them. So not having any videography would be dumb. After all, a lot of other YouTubers have their videography listed. But until everything is incorporated into the body of the article, then it will have to stay as it currently is. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 14:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright; I will implement the above draft, as it is agreed that it is an improvement over the current one. Airplaneman ✈ 16:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

My first reaction to the videography section is that it seems to be a little over the top. I've read a few of the comments in the discussion above, and wanted to add my thoughts. On the one hand, I get the argument that this is like an actor's filmography, or a musician's discography. On the other, though, those feel like larger bodies of work - a collection of scenes or tracks. This particular section feels more like a list of short scenes. Unfortunately, though, I can't figure out a better way to parse this out and have a list of his larger bodies of work other than to list by category. Does anybody have any thoughts on this, or am I just repeating a larger discussion? Foregone conclusion t|c 16:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

If you look at KevJumba's page, you will see that every video is listed. So if you are going widdle it down, then you might as well do it for all. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Sarut Indramangala

Is he in any videos? I don't remember seeing him. Or maybe they didn't mention his name. Atomforyou (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't think so. What does this have to do with the article, BTW? Airplaneman ✈ 20:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
He's mentioned as part of the Yabo Crew. Atomforyou (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that - I've removed it as vandalism. Airplaneman ✈ 20:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Atomforyou (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-members of Yabo

Fernando Lorenzo, Mason Turner, and Bryson Murata aren't mentioned in source 6, therefore their names are being removed. I'm having trouble finding out who put that, though. Atomforyou (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Bryson Murata was a new member of Nigahiga, or did "Ninja Melk," when Ryan Higa did videos with Sean Sean Fujiyoshi, Tim Enos, Tarynn Nagos, and others. Nobody said he was apart of the Yabo Crew. You shouldn't have removed him outright. You should have moved his name so it wasn't associated with the Yabo Crew. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

So....

So this guy, ShaneDawson, and Fred have pages, but they deleted raywilliamjohnson's page? Why is that? I've never even heard of this guy, and Ray was the #1 most subscribed YouTuber before "nigahiga!" --The Wing Dude, Musical Extraordinaire (talk) 02:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Equals Three and this. BTW I heard of this guy long before RWJ; this argument is therefore moot because depending on who you ask, you'll get varying answers. Airplaneman ✈ 03:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I gotcha. Still think he should have a page imo, but I agree with and understand all arguments why he can't have one. And I apologize for using the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS thing in discussion.--The Wing Dude, Musical Extraordinaire (talk) 04:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
If you can find more then a few trivial mentions in reliable independent sources then maybe he might be able to have an article. The CNN article is only about the controversy about the items he had on iTunes. Sure it's good to have an in an article, but not enough. If you do an article in your own sandbox or namespace getting people to work on it, then maybe after consensus it can then be moved into his own namepsace. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 15:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

sean

you should add something about sean moving — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.130.10 (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Need a change

Nigahiga is now the 2nd most subscribed on Youtube, beaten by Ray William Johnson. Would someone mind changing everything? I've said the same on Ray William Johnson's page. Thanks!Unobliging (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 December 2011

Can you add next to NigaHiga's date of birth that he was born in Hilo, Hawaii like it says on his bio pages to be more clear enough on where he's from.

108.41.68.34 (talk) 16:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done 117Avenue (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 January 2012

Please may I edit this page because Nigahiga dosen't have 4.9 million subscribers anymore.

86.45.7.9 (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

This template is for requesting specific edits to the page, if you want to be able to edit it yourself you need to create an account (it requires no personal info and only takes 30 seconds), then become autoconfirmed or confirmed--Jac16888 Talk 20:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Please change "as of January 2012, the Nigahiga channel has over 4.9 million subscibers" to 5 million subsribers 86.45.7.9 (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done, but this isn't a running daily tally. 01:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2012

Nigahiga now has over 5.1 million subscribers, not over 5.0 million subsribers.

86.45.5.62 (talk) 07:49, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, as said above, this is not a running tally--Jac16888 Talk 12:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 January 2012

Please note Ryan Higa's channel (Nigahiga) has over 5.1 million subscribers


86.45.5.62 (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, per the same reason I gave a few hours ago--Jac16888 Talk 16:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 February 2012

Nigahiga has 5.1 million subscribers. Please change that! 86.45.5.62 (talk) 21:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, as explained above, this is not a running daily tally. 117Avenue (talk) 03:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Ninja Melk

I'm just a wikia contributor, but shouldn't they add a page about Ninja Melk and "Agents of Secret Stuff" because they're like the two film movies of his? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.236.111 (talk) 03:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

A half hour YouTube video isn't a movie. 117Avenue (talk) 05:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Name

I can't be the only one who sees a racial slur in the first half of "Nigahiga." I'm sure it's not that, but does anyone know the origin of the name? Can we explain it? --BDD (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Well his name is Higa, maybe he thought it was a cute rhyme at the time. 117Avenue (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Nope, don't just randomly guess. Go Google it. It's not that hard to type in a few words and hit enter.

Anyways, he said it means "rant" in Japanese. He probably used it because it rhymes with his last name, "Higa" and for his "ranting" on videos and stuff. I'll go ahead and add this in. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:00, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

i'm japanese - it does NOT mean "rant" at all! you been played.
it CAN mean "bitter" (of food), but i doubt that was it either. it bloody OBVIOUS he chose it as a form of "nigga"...which just HAPPENED to rhyme with his last name. i wouldn't quite say that it's "racist", per se -- utes of all stripes are using it in a sort of "yo, i'm bad" sense these days. 66.105.218.27 (talk) 00:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

No longer number one subscribed

YouTube has been cleaning out inactive subscribers. "Technically" RayWilliamJohnson was most subscribed, his channel was maintained first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.55.215.173 (talk) 00:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

We got that cleared up a long time ago. ZappaOMati 23:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Besides, his new video Youtube Apocalypse explained everything (kinda). Zappa (talk) 13:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I think the IP was referring to the "YouTube Apocalypse" that was happening around the time nigahiga released its 8 February 2012 video. 117Avenue (talk) 02:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

New video

He has a new video. Please add. Haimehen (talk) 23:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done ZappaOMati 23:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

No videography

How ironic this is, considering the previous message. A list of YouTube videos made by this celebrity is of no encyclopedic relevance at all. These aren't films or records that were released by a record company or otherwise remarked on in a reliable source. We are not a directory of everything a person did (no matter how trite and short), we are not a fansite: we are an encyclopedia that should include relevant, verified facts. This list is not one of the things we should include. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

While I agree that I don't see the encyclopedic value of the videography in this article, the article is very popular (latest stats), and the removal of a section must first garner consensus. I would like to see that all editors and watchers of this page are in agreement, that the videography should be removed, before it does get removed. The videography was recently split from this article, and the result of the discussion for its deletion, was for it to be merged back into this one. 117Avenue (talk) 03:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't understand your position at all. Popularity is no reason to keep a specific section of it--in fact, popularity doesn't mean much of anything according to our policies, besides things like having a redirect. We're not talking about major works here: we're talking about little YouTube videos by someone who is, certainly in the grand scheme of things a nobody. And have you noticed the messed-up links? There's something that links to Epic Meal Time, which he has nothing to do with at all, but the blue link suggests notability for the YouTuber himself. There's links to Belieber, just cause he spoofed Bieber, and a bunch of other things, and that's without dumb blue links like one to Australia. You restored it twice already without a valid argument, and agreeing with me--at the very least you should clean it up and remove those links. But I stand by my original point: this is trivial, non-notable, falling foul of NOTDIR and of NOTRESUME. And there is NOTHING anywhere that says this removal should garner consensus: playing devil's advocate is just unproductive. Drmies (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, popularity doesn't mean much of anything according to our policies, and you have now explained those policies. But neither of your removals cited a policy allowing you to blank a section without discussion. According to our policies that is disruptive editing. Providing a forum for discussion is not playing devil's advocate. 117Avenue (talk) 03:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

As already mentioned above, these are recreational videos made by Higa and his friends, it is not a filmography. Similar lists were recently deleted here, here, and here. 117Avenue (talk) 02:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Who added it in anyways? It shouldn't even have been kept in the article in the first place. Previous attempts at removal were done by numerous editors, but Avenue, you yourself reverted many of the removals due to "no consensus". - M0rphzone (talk) 09:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Usage of name as nickname/pseudonym for Ryan Higa

117Avenue, you do know that people call him "Nigahiga" right? I know its from the channel name, but that is not just the channel name, but also the nickname of Higa for his YouTube account/Google account. He is better known as "Nigahiga", not Ryan Higa. - M0rphzone (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

More importantly, the scope of this article right now focuses mostly on Ryan Higa and the things he did, not on the actual channel. If this article is on the channel, it will have to be more like Google Search or another website or TV/video channel. This article should be a biographical article on Ryan Higa; it should not be an article on a website or (TV/video) channel. In all the sources, Ryan Higa and what he did/does is the subject, not his only his channel. Therefore, I have restructured the beginning and changed the infobox to a infobox person one. And people who like Ryan Higa's work are "Nigahiga" fans because that is his nickname. People don't talk about his channel; they talk about him. The channel is not more important than Higa himself. This article should be structured similarly to the article on KevJumba.

This has been a nagging issue ever since the creation of the article. It's time to address it and fix the problem. - M0rphzone (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Btw, has Higa ever told anyone his Japanese name? - M0rphzone (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

While I believe this is possible, I would like to see it proven. From what I have seen from YOMYOMF, YTF, etc. he is introduced as Ryan Higa from Nigahiga. As it stands, the title of this article is "Nigahiga", and WP:LEAD states that this shall be defined in the first sentence, "Nigahiga is a YouTube channel." Reviewing the article I agree that it is more like a bio, and I now believe the article should be moved to "Ryan Higa", unless you can prove that Nigahiga meets WP:COMMONNAME. 117Avenue (talk) 06:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Really now. You're editing this article and you don't know basic information on Ryan Higa? Link comparisons to Google: about 9,620,000 for "nigahiga" vs. 1,830,000 for "Ryan Higa". - M0rphzone (talk) 06:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Also, even though he may be formally introduced as Ryan Higa from Nigahiga, and the name originally included the entire group in the beginning, now Ryan Higa is the main personality in the channel, not to mention that he is more well-known as "Nigahiga" in various sources, and in the general public. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
You seem to be acting as a steward for this article, so can you please research more thoroughly and actually view his videos to see who is the main focus in the channel? - M0rphzone (talk) 06:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Google counts don't mean anything if you don't analyze them. Do you know that the nine million refer to the person and not the channel? Here's a few other numbers for you 81 vs. 141, 3 vs. 160, 406 vs. 544, 1,140,000 vs. 2,800,000, 1,140,000 vs. 1,580,000. Could you please further back up "that he is more well-known as "Nigahiga" in various sources, and in the general public" than your Google search? Thanks. I have viewed his videos, and have been subscribed for a long time. I am aware that most videos on the nigahiga channel feature Higa, but that doesn't prove commonname, in fact one of the popular features is Ask Ryan. 117Avenue (talk) 02:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Don't you mean Dear Ryan? ZappaOMati 02:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Oops, that doesn't help my case. 117Avenue (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright then, let's take a look at the first link you gave. Right off the bat, the second link uses nigahiga as a nickname of Ryan Higa: "For Ray William Johnson and Ryan Higa (nigahiga), they may be the most successful Youtube celebrities out there..."

  • Next one: "Ryan Higa aka NigaHiga, the most subscribed YouTube channel, talks about his experience on YouTube."
  • Next: "November 23rd marked the premiere of Ryan Higa's (Youtube alias nigahiga) and Wong Fu Productions' premiere of..."
  • Next: "Obviously it's for comedic purposes, but top Youtube stars Kev Jumba and Ryan Higa (nigahiga) have both recently shown..."
  • Next: "...start her own comedic Youtube series, following in the tradition of other Internet comedians such as NigaHiga (Ryan Higa) or HappySlip (Christine Gambito)."
  • Next: "YouTube sensations Ryan Higa (aka NigaHiga), behind the 2nd most subscribed YouTube channel of all time, along with the 9th most subscribed YouTube..."

Ok, these quotes don't really prove anything, but when you take out "Sean Fujiyoshi", "channel", and "lyrics", you get about 4,290,000 results for nigahiga that look like they mostly refer to or imply Ryan Higa. - M0rphzone (talk) 05:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Anyways, after thinking about it some more, it makes more sense to use "Ryan Higa" as the article title since the channel also features Sean and the other guys, not only Ryan. "Nigahiga" can redirect to this article since it may refer to both the channel (which is covered in this article) or Ryan Higa's alias. Do you guys agree with the move to "Ryan Higa"? - M0rphzone (talk) 05:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I don't think that Nigahiga is completely synonymous Ryan Higa. The sources you list above say that Higa is the man behind Nigahiga, or the channel name that he uses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117Avenue (talk • contribs) 01:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
No, Nigahiga is almost like his alias/nickname/pseudonym. People know him and reference him by that name, regardless if that's originally his channel name. But we'll still use his actual name for the article title for the previous reasons. - M0rphzone (talk) 09:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 November 2012

Nigahiga just broke the 6.000.000 subscribers -limit. That's worth of an editing, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.237.67.77 (talk) 22:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done ZappaOMati 22:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/c 03:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Nigahiga → Ryan Higa – The actual YouTube channel is titled Nigahiga. However, as per viewed in the first paragraph, the article is about Higa himself. Therefore, the article title should be titled Ryan Higa. Rhain1999 (talk) 05:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Support, for the reasons discussed above. 117Avenue (talk) 05:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support Article is about the person. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 23:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Rename - per reasons stated in previous section. - M0rphzone (talk) 09:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support - Article's on Ryan, not really Sean, Tim, etc. ZappaOMati 13:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Statυs (talk) 03:58, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
    How do you prove that Nigahiga is a common name for Ryan? 117Avenue (talk) 05:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
    Well, it's clearly stated in the article, for one. And secondly, I've personally never heard of him as Ryan Higa, but Nigahiga. I'm sure I'm not the only one. All of the above supports are invalid. We don't use Stefani Germanotta for Lady Gaga. Statυs (talk) 12:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
    Are the statements that attest to this fact referenced? If you have never heard anyone call him Ryan, then you haven't watched a video of his, YOMYOMF, or his friends, or clicked on the internet search links I provided above. He is no where near the level of the common name Lady Gaga, always being introduced as Ryan Higa from Nighahiga. 117Avenue (talk) 06:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment, good points by both nominator and by Status (talk · contribs), what's needed next is a review of at least a significant preponderance of reliable secondary sources, to see which naming convention is most prevalent in those references. — Cirt (talk) 06:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. My reading of the article is that "Nigahiga" and "Ryan Higa" are synonymous, so I'm not sure that's a good rationale for moving, but I do think the proposed title is the most common name. I get 141 google news archive results for "Ryan Higa", compared to 81 for "Nigahiga". Jenks24 (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
    I got the same numbers on 19 October. 117Avenue (talk) 23:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
The issue is with "academic/proper" name usage and "regular common name" usage. According to some search results (which are not definitive), Ryan Higa seems to be used more often (since that is his real name), but nigahiga is his nickname/username on YouTube and what many refer to him by (as sourced in the previous section). As I stated before, when you take out "Sean Fujiyoshi", "channel", and "lyrics", you get about 4,290,000 results for nigahiga that look like they mostly refer to or imply Ryan Higa. I've actually reconsidered, and I think even if nigahiga is Higa's common name, using his actual name, Ryan Higa seems more appropriate. - M0rphzone (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Update: Also, when you register for a YouTube account, you are creating an account with an alias/nickname (at least before Google started forcing you to create it with your actual name). The channel name just uses your alias/nickname, rather than the other way around. So nigahiga is not a channel name, but rather Higa's nickname. - M0rphzone (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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Verification of name prevalence

117, you really need to stop reverting all my edits. But anyways, in response to your comment, it's not that Ryan's actual name is used more frequently than nigahiga, but that we can't really verify whether or not one name is used more frequently than the other to refer to Ryan only. Since this the case, then fine we go with the safe/neutral wording and use Ryan's actual name instead of a nickname for the title, but that doesn't mean he's not more commonly known as nigahiga. Google Trends shows that nigahiga is definitely used more often than Ryan Higa, but there's no way to find out who searchers are searching for, so we just use Ryan's actual name, despite the fact that he may be known mononymously as Nigahiga. Also, Ryan created the nigahiga YouTube account/username/channel, not the other guys, and his early videos almost always include only him as the person "ranting"/talking in the video. And 117Avenue, there is no evidence that he is introduced more frequently as "Ryan Higa from Nigahiga" than just Nigahiga/NigaHiga, despite what you claimed. - M0rphzone (talk) 09:40, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

We know that a lot of people use Ryan Higa, I believe that he is most often introduced as Ryan Higa. We do not add material about a living person that is poorly sourced. An article should not claim that there is a large group out there that uses the name of a person's work, as the name of that person. He may have originally only been known by his screen name, but as he became famous, more people learned about Ryan Higa. Just like others who become famous from their YouTube work. 117Avenue (talk) 03:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes I know, 117. That's why we're using his actual name, rather than his nickname because it is not verifiable. There's no need to drop [[WP:POLICY|policies]] for an explanation. Thanks for the reply though. - M0rphzone (talk) 08:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Number of Subscribers

The nigahiga channel has passed the 6.1 million subscriber mark, making the 6.0 mentioned in the lede obselete. It doesn't make sense to keep a running total though, so shouldn't we just change it to 6 million (no decimals). This will keep it from being obselete and it won't have to be updated as much. 99.142.3.70 (talk) 02:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

No, it isn't a running total. I think it should be updated about once a month. I update the articles on some of the top YouTubers at the same time, around the first Monday of the month, rather than every time a number changes. 117Avenue (talk) 03:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Alright. That works. 99.142.1.201 (talk) 20:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

"It says by December 21, 2010, it had reached 3 million subscribers" and "In September 2014, it had 2.6 million subscribers".Makes no sense.--Chamith (talk) 00:54, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Correct, when you read part of two unrelated sentences, you cannot put them together. However, when the whole paragraphs are read, they make sense. 117Avenue (talk) 06:15, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Ethnicity in info box

No one or very people have their ethnicity or race listed in Wikipedia so we should not put it here, as it is common practice not to do this and it looks strange and unnecessary to have ethnicity or race it the box.

I don't know why someone add ethnicity or race to parameter. Race is especially not listed for celebs or famous politicans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desipunjab (talk • contribs) 03:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2016

One of the words on the page is 'synching' although it should be 'syncing'. WilliamjShore (talk) 21:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Done Corrected it. thanks for pointing that out Cannolis (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2016

Update the number of main channel (nigahiga) subscribers from 16 million to 17 million.[1] Nightwing05 (talk) 11:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/ryanhiga
Done. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 19:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2016

remove template at bottom per Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_September_13#Template:Dance_Showdown 198.102.155.115 (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Okinawan descent

@User:117Avenue: Just wanted to point out that Ryan Higa is clearly of Okinawan descent, based on his surname, Higa, as well one of his comments on his official twitter account: https://twitter.com/therealryanhigoa/status/21137901638 There's really no greater reliable source than something he said himself. Also, to be fair, there's no reliable source that I've come across that says he's of Japanese descent. That information is inferred based on the fact that he speaks Japanese, which is also characteristic of the Okinawan/Ryukyuan-Japanese people. BUjjsp (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

There are several things that make me think it is not appropriate for the lead paragraph. A name does not make a person a certain descent, there is no way a name could make a person clearly from a culture. Even if it were true, the name only comes from one ancestor, a person has many ancestors, and it would be ridiculous to name all of them, and their cultures. Your source is self published, and does not meet the requirements of verifiability and reliability, as laid out in Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. I think this note is too contentious, and not appropriate for the article. 117Avenue (talk) 02:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how the source violates any of the verifiability requirements which I've reproduced below.

"The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim." Nope.
"It does not involve claims about third parties." Nope, only talks about himself.
"It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source." Nope.
"There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity." Nope, there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to lie about his ethnic background.
"The article is not based primarily on such sources." Nope.

Also, WP:Twitter which specifically says that "A specific tweet may be useful as a self-published, primary source. Twitter incorporates a Verified Account mechanism to identify accounts of celebrities and other notable people; this should be considered in judging the reliability of Twitter message." In the link I provided, he (on his official, verified twitter account) specifically says, "ahhh i'm okinawan and i've never been there.... lucky!" BUjjsp (talk) 06:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm confused... 117Avenue just reverted my edit Category:American people of Okinawan descent. 117Avenue didn't even say why he removed the category... Yet 117Avenue left Category:American people of Japanese descent untouched. You do realize Ryan Higa is listed as one of the "Notable Ryukyuan people" in Ryukyuan people? Alice Kim (talk) 11:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I did state why I reverted you, it was unreferenced. However, I forgot about this discussion, we do have a reference, I apologize. I was unaware of Ryukyuan people, but I see that list is entirely unreferenced. I would like to know why @Lmurphin: and @Kyogul: removed Higa's ethnicity from the lead sentence. I think that a person being a minority in an industry is often mentioned early in the article. 117Avenue (talk) 03:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
@117Avenue: What do you mean? It's already mentioned early in the article. Just two sentences from the start of the article the Background section begins, which its first sentence details his ethnicity. In biography pages it's common to put someone's nationality first after their name, give a synopsis of what they are known for, and then detail their history/background, which is where ethnicity is generally mentioned if evidence is found. But most importantly, it's redundant to say that he's Japanese-American and then two sentences later detail that he is of Okinawan descent. In this case, to call him Japanese-American would imply that he is he an immigrant (e.g. Shin Koyamada) or that he is a dual-citizen (which thus far we know he's only American). And just a note, X-Americans (i.e. Japanese-Americans) is an ethnicity term, not a nationality term. It's used to specify certain people of a country, but not the people of a country collectively (or in other words, nationals). So, in my opinion his nationality needs to be changed to just American and not Japanese-American, his Ethnicity put in a box (e.g. Kiko Mizuhara), OR the Background section can be removed and his ethnic values can be summarised with just Japanese-American. But I get the feeling the latter won't happen, so I'll change it back to American since that's how it should be. Kyogul (talk) 09:54, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
So to be clear; you believe that the lead sentence should say his nationality, not ethnicity? I guess I can agree with that. 117Avenue (talk) 02:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Given how unnecessarily contentious the above was, I hesitate to start anything, but... do we have any evidence that Higa identifies as Japanese-American, or as being of Japanese descent? Among a great many people in the Okinawan-American community (especially in Hawaii, where Higa was born and raised), Okinawan is seen as being a separate ethnic identity from Japanese; i.e. a great many people of Okinawan descent decidedly do NOT identify as Japanese (or Japanese-American, or of Japanese descent), seeing it as being a separate ethnic identity entirely. Seems to me Wikipedia should describe Higa accurately according to how he (and/or his family) identify. (You wouldn't call an Irish person "British", right?) LordAmeth (talk) 11:02, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Better Photo

Is there no better photo of Ryan? 182.68.35.32 (talk) 07:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that there are better photos of Ryan. This one shows him with a microphone, and to someone who doesn't know him, they might assume he is a professional singer. 

Atpugislut (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
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