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The main source is [1] (1876).

  • 54 Fox Chase
    • 1911: on 5/6 from Porter
  • 55 Fox Chase & Powell
  • 32 10 & 11
    • 1876: 10/11, Reed to Diamond; 10, Reed to Mifflin
    • 1911: 10/11
    • Route 6, eliminated in 1920 because it was redundant with 23
  • 72 Frankford Berks 5 & 6
    • 1876: Kensington-Front-Berks-5/6, Cumberland to Mifflin; Kensington-Frankford, Cumberland to Frankford
    • 1911: on 5/6
    • Route 3 on 12/13
    • Also Route 26 on 6/7, eliminated in 1922?
  • 73 Frankford Lehigh 5 & 6
    • 1876: Kensington-Lehigh-5/6, Cumberland to Powell:
    • 1911: on 5/6
    • Became Route 27 on 12/13, eliminated in 1922?
  • 21 Lombard & South
    • 1876: Lombard/South, Front to 25
    • 1911: Lombard/South west of Front into West Philly
    • Combined with Baltimore as Route 40
  • 71 Frankford 2 & 3
    • 1876: Frankford/Amber-2/3, Lehigh to Mifflin; Frankford, Lehigh to Arrott
    • 1911: on 2/3
    • Combined as Route 5 on 2/3
  • Coral/Amber-Dauphin/York-2/3, Lehigh to Dock
  • Lehigh-Richmond-Frankford-Fairmount/Brown-2/3, Frankford to Dock
  • 78 Bridesburg
    • 1876: Lehigh-Richmond-Bridge, Frankford to Washington; Richmond, Lehigh-Allegheny
    • 1911: on 2/3
    • Originally ??; later combined with Lehigh as Route 15
  • New Market-Vine-Front, Fairmount to Chestnut
  • Cumberland, Richmond-Amber
  • 40 Callowhill
    • 1876: Callowhill, Fairmount Park to Front
    • 1911: crosstown; abandonment planned
  • 34 Norris & Susquehanna
    • 1911: west to 32; on 4/8
    • Route 8 crosstown
  • 43 York & Dauphin
  • 53 Indiana
    • 1911: on 4/8 from Ritner (formely Dauphin) to Rising Sun (formerly Indiana)
    • Route 47 on 8/9?
  • 60 Pelham
    • 1911: on 4/8 south to Pine (formerly Snyder)
  • 63 Willow Grove 4 & 8
  • 4/8, Susquehanna to Dickerson or Walnut
  • 58 Chestnut Hill, 59 Chestnut Hill 2nd Section
    • 1876: Germantown, Dauphin to Germantown
    • 1911: on 4/8 to South Philly
    • Route 23 on 10/11
  • 76 Girard
    • 1876: Girard/Parkside, Palmer to Belmont
    • 1911: Allegheny to 63rd
    • Route 15
  • 41 Dickinson?
    • 1876: Green/Fairmount-4/8, Fairmount Park to Dickerson or Walnut
    • 1911: on 4/8
  • 42 Beach
    • 1876: Green/Fairmount, 4 to Beach
    • 1911: Green/Fairmount crosstown
    • Combined with Spring Garden as Route 43
  • 2 19 & 20
    • 1911: on 19/20 to South Philly
  • 3 17 & 18
    • 1911: on 17/18 to South Philly
  • 7 Catharine & Bainbridge
  • 8 Federal & Wharton
  • 39 Morris & Tasker
  • 45 Continental Depot
    • 1911: on north? 18/20; along York/Dauphin to 32 (formerly 22)
    • Route 16 on 19/20, eliminated in 1929
  • 46 Continental Nicetown
    • 1911: on north 18/20 to Hunting Park (formerly Susquehanna)
    • Route 33 on 19/20
  • 9 Chestnut
    • 1876: Chestnut/Walnut, 42 to Front
    • 1911: on Chester to 65th (formerly Chestnut to 42nd)
    • Route 13
  • Belmont-Lancaster-32-Chestnut/Walnut, Fairmount Park to Front
  • 12 Darby, 86 Darby Subway
    • 1876: Darby-Woodland-Chestnut/Walnut, Darby or Mount Moriah to Front
    • 1911: on Chestnut/Walnut to Front (formerly Woodland to 49th)
    • Route 11 in the subway
  • 14 Gray's Ferry
    • 1876: Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-2/3, Schuylkill River to Walnut
    • 1911: to Darby (formerly Gray's Ferry Bridge)
    • Route 12
  • 44 Ridge
    • 1876: Ridge-9/10-Arch, 22 to 2
    • 1911: Arch to Front (formerly 9); north on 29 to Allegheny
    • Part of Route 48
  • 38 Manayunk
    • 1876: Ridge, Manayunk to 22
    • 1911: into downtown
    • Route 61 on 8/9
  • 50 17 & 19
    • 1876: 17/19, Columbia to Carpenter
    • 1911: on 17/19-Chestnut-Walnut to Front (formerly 4); north to Hunting Park Avenue (formerly Norris)
    • Route 21 on 17/18
  • 51 17 & 19 Short Line
  • 13/15-Columbia/Master, Washington to Ridge
  • 48 13 & 15
    • 1876: 13/15, Washington to Norris; Broad, south from Washington; Broad, Norris to Glenwood
    • 1911: 13/15 to League Island (formerly Jackson)
    • Route 20 on 12/13
  • 47 Cumberland
    • 1911: 13/15 to Shunk (formerly Locust)
    • Route 24, eliminated in 1929?
  • 49 Wayne
    • 1911: 13/15 to Jackson (formerly Locust)
    • Route 53
  • Wallace/Spring Garden-7/9-Federal/Wharton, Fairmount Park to Front
  • 4 Richmond 7 & 9
    • 1876: Master/Oxford-7/9-Ellsworth/Christian, loop in Kensington to Broad
    • 1911: on 6/9 to South 22/23 (formerly loop in Kensington only)
    • Route 25 on 2/3?
    • South end became Route 18 on 22/23?
  • 36 Columbia
    • 1876: Columbia-7/9, 23 to Market
    • 1911: on 7/9
    • Route 51 on 8/9
  • Spring Garden/Poplar, Fairmount Park to 7
  • Cedar-Somerset, York to Richmond
  • 7/9-Christian/Ellsworth, McKean to 23
  • 33 Cambria 7 & 9
    • 1911: on 7/9 to Arch (formerly Market); to North Philly Station
    • Route 53??
  • 35 McKean
    • 1911: on 7/9; west on Arch to 20/23-Poplar-29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Columbia via 7/Franklin)
    • Route 9?
  • 37 Fairmount
    • 1911: Arch to Front (formerly continued south on 7/9 to Broad & Ellsworth); north to York via 29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Poplar)
    • Route 48?
  • 41-Market, Parkside to Front
  • 23 Haddington-Haverford
    • 1876: Haverford, 41 to 67
    • 1911: via Market
    • Route 30
  • 1 12 & 16
    • 1876: 12/16, Wharton to Montgomery
    • 1911: on 12/16
    • Became Route 2 on 15/16
  • 29 Race & Vine
    • 1876: Belmont-Lancaster-Haverford/Spring Garden-Race/Vine-2/3, Fairmount Park to Walnut
    • 1911: ran into downtown
    • Route 85?
    • Also combined with Green/Fairmount as Route 43
  • 27 Haddington-Hestonville
    • 1876: Lancaster, Belmont to 52; Arch, 21 to 2
    • 1911: Arch from 20th to Front (formerly 43rd and Lancaster); west to 63rd and Girard (formerly 52nd and Lancaster)
    • Route 44

Unsure which company had these

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  • 5 Passyunk
    • 1911: 2/3 to Dock (formerly didn't enter downtown)
    • Route 81
  • 6 Point Breeze
    • 1911: crosstown
    • Route 68, eliminated in 1914
  • 10 Chester Ave.
    • 1911: truncated east of 40th to connect with el
  • 11 Chester Ave. extension
  • 15 52 St.
  • 16 Elmwood
    • 1911: via Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-9/12 to Arch (formerly Paschall)
    • Route 36
  • 17 Island Road
  • 18 Lancaster-Haddington
    • 1911: Market (formerly Chestnut-Walnut); west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
    • Route 10
  • 19 Baring
  • 20 Girard-Belmont
  • 22 Bala
    • 1911: south to Market (formerly Jefferson)
    • Route 70
  • 24 63 & Vine
  • 25 West Spruce
  • 26 Belmont
  • 28 Overbrook
  • 30 58 & 60
    • 1911: north to 63 & Lansdowne (formerly 60 & Master)
    • Route 46
  • 52 Glenside
  • 56 Franklinville
    • 1911: on 5/6; north to Olney (formerly Rising Sun)
    • Route 65
  • 57 Olney
  • 61 Chelten
  • 62 Chelten-Willow Grove
  • 64 Willow Grove 13 & 15
  • 65 Doylestown
  • 66 Hatboro
  • 67 Berks & Montgomery
    • 1911: on 10/11; turned (east?) at Market (formerly south)
  • 68 Lehigh
    • 1911: west to Ridge (formerly Broad)
    • Route 54
  • 69 Tioga & Dock
  • 70 Erie
  • 74 Frankford-Bridesburg
  • 75 Torresdale
  • 77 Jefferson
    • 1911: north to Richmond & Allegheny (formerly Hancock & Lehigh) via a very indirect route including Somerset
    • Route 57
  • 79 Allegheny
  • 80 Allegheny Short Line
  • 81 Chester
  • 82 Media
  • 83 Lansdowne
  • 84 Middletown
  • 85 Subway-Elevated
    • Duh
  • 87 Baltimore Subway
  • 88 Lancaster-Haddington Subway
    • 1911: west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
    • Route 10
  • 89 Baring Subway
  • 13 Baltimore
    • 1876: 38/40-40/41-Parkside, Baltimore to Belmont
    • 1911: into downtown on Chestnut/Walnut; west to Cobbs Creek (formerly a loop)
    • East half combined with Lombard/South as Route 40
  • 31 Zoo
    • 1876: 38/40-Locust-33/36-35, Baltimore to Zoo
    • 1911: short loop
    • Route 67; eliminated in 1918

These don't seem to be in the 1911 list

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First reply in two years

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NE2, I know you haven't worked on this list in two years, but have you ever considered this brochure as an additional source? ----DanTD (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - I hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately it doesn't have much, and probably doesn't detail all the 1910s changes (Commons:1911 maps of streetcars in Philadelphia). --NE2 23:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Click on some of the pages, and you can find out what years some lines were established, like SEPTA Route 56 in 1907. I admit it doesn't have everything, but still every little bit helps. ----DanTD (talk) 01:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]