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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 14, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the German battleship SMS Friedrich der Grosse (pictured) was the flagship of the Imperial Navy during the majority of World War I, including the Battle of Jutland?
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Merge[edit]

Support the merger.Cosal 21:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Easier to merge the content and convert the article other article to a redirect. Megapixie 04:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support merger from SMS Friedrich der Grosse, this title is correct. Scoo 05:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

de has the article title as (1912) - is 1911 right ? Megapixie 04:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

Changed title, according to evidence that ss is the preferred English spelling:

Reproduced contemporary article notice that the reproduction includes a cedilla, which suggests that the reproducers had capability to render at least some "non-typical" letters such as "ß"
BBC article
The Man who bought a Navy, by Gerald Bowman

Google Book returns:

- "friedrich der grosse" warship = 30 This includes English works from beginning and mid centuries, plus contemporary works such as The First World War: A Complete History, by Martin Gilbert
- "friedrich der große" warship = 1

Title is written wrong[edit]

Hallo, the title was moved from SMS Friedrich der Große (1911). That title was right, but now the "ß" was replaced by "ss", which is incorrect. Greets, --Star Flyer (talk) 21:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ship's name is generally rendered as the title is currently spelled in English works, for example as in V.E. Tarrant's Jutland: The German Perspective and John Campbell's Jutland: An Analysis of the Fighting. Our article naming policy is to follow established English usage; see the section above for evidence of said usage. Parsecboy (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:SMS Friedrich der Grosse (1911)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: —Ed!^(talk) 00:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"as a replacement for the obsolete coastal defense ship Heimdall,[2][Note 1]" - what happened to Heimdall? Also, this ship seems substantially larger than the photo on Heimdall's page, was "replacement" a way of skirting around the battleship rules at the time?
- Under the German Naval Laws, battleships (which the Siegfried class was considered) were to be replaced every 25 and then later every 20 years. Heimdall laid down in 1892 and was due to leave front-line service by 1912, hence her replacement. There were no rules for Friedrich der Grosse to fit into (other than Tirpitz's building plans) - that kind of maneuvering was only necessary after the naval treaties in the 1920s and 30s (though the US Navy pulled a rather outrageous "renovation" stunt with a class of monitors at the end of the 19th century). Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"on 2 March she became the fleet flagship.[1]" - which ship was flagship before this one? Also, I added the link to flagship but it still may be jargon for those who don't know naval terminology well. Briefly explain here what a flagship is.
- Added. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"In mid-July, the fleet conducted its annual summer cruise to Norway," explain this a little too. Was it a goodwill cruise or some kind of practice deployment?
- Mostly R&R - the Kaiser went with the fleet and basically hung out in the fjords and such. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Admiral Reinhard Scheer replaced the ailing von Pohl as the fleet commander.[11]" - as in the last GAN, clarify what sickness he suffered from.
- Added. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The center of the action was the disabled German cruiser Wiesbaden, which had become disabled by a shell from the British battlecruiser Invincible." - redundant wording.
- Fixed. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The ship participated in the fruitless advance to Norway on 23–25 April 1918. Afterward, she went into drydock for extensive maintenance, which lasted from 26 July to 28 September.[41]" - what was repaired/improved during this maintenance?
- Just periodic maintenance, nothing specifically repaired or improved. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"On the 30th, crewmen aboard Friedrich der Grosse engaged in forms of passive resistance, including a "go-slow" while replenishing the ship's coal stock.[41]" - explain what a "go slow" is.
- Added a note. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"and their crews were reduced to 200 officers and men.[55]" - reword, it currently implies officers are not men.
- Fixed. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ISBNs need to be consistent, either in their 10-digit or 13-digit iterations.
- See the other GAN. Parsecboy (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GAN on hold pending a few comments. —Ed!^(talk) 00:45, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. This article Passes GA. Well done. —Ed!^(talk) 05:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]