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On 28 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Sagamihara massacre. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Hate crime[edit]

What evidence denotes this as a hate crime? I see nothing to indicate this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NZVortex (talk • contribs) 21:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NZVortex: The "hate crime" description was added to this article several days ago by an unregistered Wikipedia editor. They added similar descriptions to several other articles, including this article and this article. Jarble (talk) 04:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lowered injury count[edit]

I'm seeing more sources ([1] [2] [3] [4]) that are saying between 20 and 26 people were injured in the stabbing rampage. Should we update the injury counts in the main article with that information? Parsley Man (talk) 03:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done - As it has been confirmed by the police. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 05:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Specific importance of reaction by USA?[edit]

Any specific importance to the US reaction? Similar statements were made by all major nations Japan has a relationship with. --歳 (talk) 08:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I looked a couple of days ago I didn't find any (I would have added them). It is customary to add a list of reactions to major events in Wikipedia, though personally I don't think these obligatory platitudes are notable. If there are published reactions from elsewhere, either they should be added, or the whole lot removed. I would suggest that even the reaction in Japan (sad - will try to prevent recurrence) is formulaic and not notable, though many will disagree. Pol098 (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like American exceptionalism at the moment. This was a domestic crime by a man at his former workplace. No country has altered their security or sent in peacekeepers. For example, it would look silly and immature to add "international reactions" to the Soham murders, in which a school janitor killed two girls known to him. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of casualties?[edit]

Is there a list of deceased yet, along with what disabilities they might have had? Coolgamer (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it targets a group of people it is a 'hate crime'...[edit]

Hey guys. I just want to have the following exchange commemorated:

(cur | prev) 14:31, 29 July 2016 JBergsma1 (talk | contribs) . . (17,654 bytes) (+16) . . (It is in fact a hate crime. Targeting disabled people. And 'euthanasia' is what the perpetrator said as a word for killing disabled people.) (undo) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit)

(cur | prev) 13:08, 29 July 2016 178.43.22.229 (talk) . . (17,638 bytes) (-16) . . (The article literally says later on that this was not a 'hate crime' but euthanasia. Jesus people, think some before you knee-jerk-label something directed towards a group a hate crime.) (undo)

so that you can all agree with that guy's 'reasoning'. ~~~~

As long as the usage of "hate crime" is well sourced and investigators also looked at it as a hate crime, then it should be fine. A citation is needed at the moment for that usage, however. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to remove it from the infobox but add a line about how a number of Japanese newspapers ran editorials about how it's a hate crime. The Japanese wiki version mentions this fact. From what I can tell, Japan does not have hate crime laws, so I doubt investigators will categorize it as such. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:16, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Missing source[edit]

It would be great to see the text of the article sourced here

==External links==

"Letter by man accused of mass stabbings carried eerie warning". The Associated Press at the Asahi Shimbun. 2016-07-26. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help) - English translation of letter from Satoshi Uematsu to Lower House Speaker Tadamori Oshima

Confusing[edit]

This article is rather confusing. Was he found guilty or not? If he was sentenced to death, I assume he was found guilty ... no ...? In any event, the article is confusing and unclear. Maybe someone can clean this up? Also, why does the article use the word "allegedly"? If he was found guilty, we don't need the word "allegedly". But, again, the article is confusing on these points. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A particular section seems to need rephrasing[edit]

"Reuters wrote that this was due to Japanese culture and stigma being less accepting of physically and cognitively impaired persons."

The article itself doesn't really say that, and this statement in itself doesn't contain any new information and seems to imply Japan is somehow unique in that regard.

What the article DOES say is that Japanese ableism has the characteristic of shame for both the disabled and families of the disabled, to the extent of hiding them. UlyssesYYZ (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming of article[edit]

Should this page be renamed the Taukui Lily Garden massacre? Name from the care facility where the mass killing took place.

2401:7400:6002:F19F:57B:B9A4:90DE:7874 (talk) 06:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

that could be reason for a _redirect_ if you think that someone might be looking for the article using those words - Skysmith (talk) 10:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 June 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sagamihara stabbings → Sagamihara massacre – Most commonly referred to as such in county where the event occurred (Japan). Requires assistance to move over redirect. User:GoatLord234 (talk) 5:30, 27 June 2023 (EST) This is a contested technical request (permalink). GoatLord234 (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see "massacre" in any of the bolded terms on ja:相模原障害者施設殺傷事件. The term I see most often is 「殺傷」which means "wounding and killing". The event is categories as a massacre (「虐殺」) but that's it. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. At least based on the sources currently cited in the article, stabbing(s) or knife attack appear to be appropriate. The title should be based on usage in English-language sources. The word used should be the common name or at least a commonly accepted descriptor (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events)). Adumbrativus (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.