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... that during the protests against Bekasi regent Saleh Manaf, protesters sealed his office and put two goat heads in front of the door? Source: https://www.liputan6.com/news/read/107867/pintu-ruangan-bupati-bekasi-disegel-kepala-kambing
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Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 64 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: The Bekasi link in the hook is linked to Bekasi city instead of Bekasi Regency. I fixed it Nyanardsan (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Please complete a QPQ and link to it above Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Has not supplied a QPQ, so I am marking this for closure as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I've done a QPQ here! Please retract the closure. Real life got in my way. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael

New reviewer required. Z1720 (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: As noted above, the lede should be beefed up before this hits the main page. Also, given the recent RFC, I'm not sure focusing on the negative aspects of this BLP (i.e., the goat head protest), is going to fly on the main page. It's a very interesting fact, and supported by Liputan6, but something else may work better in the current climate. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: I've expanded the lede of the article, but I might need some help finding interesting part of the article other than the BLPed hook. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe something like "that Saleh Manaf became Regent of Bekasi even after his party attempted to annul the results?". If we have an ALT, we can allow the admin making the queues to make the decision. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: ALT1: "... that Saleh Manaf was elected as the Regent of Bekasi despite being a dummy candidate in the election?" Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That should give the promoting administrator a choice and hopefully avoid any fuss at the main page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: "... that Saleh Manaf was elected as the Regent of Bekasi despite being an underdog in the election?". Tagging SL93. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unpromoted per WT:DYK. New review needed for ALT2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Where is it in the article?--Laun chba ller 17:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: It was not mentioned explicitly previously, but there was a discussion regarding this in here. I've copyedited the article to make the fact in the hook more explicit. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not what an underdog is (someone expected to lose), and in either case you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for it.--Laun chba ller 18:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Alright then, change of hook. ALT4: "... that the regent of Bekasi, Saleh Manaf, was protested by his own local environment service?" quote from: this one, ref no. 14 Beberapa waktu yang lalu, Dinas Kebersihan Kabupaten Bekasi sebenarnya sudah mengirimkan surat protes kepada Bupati Bekasi, meminta pertanggung-jawaban bupati terhadap dampak lingkungan dan akibat sampah yang dibuang truk pengangkut sampah. (Some time ago, the Bekasi Regency Environment Service actually sent a letter of protest to the Regent of Bekasi, asking the regent to be responsible for the environmental impact and consequences of the waste thrown by the waste trucks.)

Looks good to me.--Laun chba ller 06:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"was protested" seems clunky, but I can't quite think of a better phrasing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this when I get back. My initial gambit is ALT4a: ... that Bekasi's local environment service protested its own regent?--Laun chba ller 16:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oi. I just reread the above. Source allegedly says "letter of protest", article and hook says "protested". These are not the same thing and the former is way less interesting. What does the source for "two goat heads, a femur, nails, shards, flowers and jugs" say @Jeromi Mikhael:?--Laun chba ller 20:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Third paragraph in the article aforementioned above: Demonstran juga menyegel Kantor Bupati Bekasi dan meletakkan sesajen berupa dua kepala kambing, tulang paha, paku, beling, kembang serta kendi di pintu masuk ruang kerja bupati. (Protesters also sealed off the Bekasi Regent's Office and placed offerings in the form of two goat heads, thigh bones, nails, shards, flowers and jugs at the entrance to the regent's office.) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: ~~Let's see a hook to that effect.--Laun chba ller 06:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)~~ Scratch that, I just saw @Crisco 1492:'s comment above about it being a negative BLP hook. I'd have approved that hook myself (there's enough negative stuff that I wouldn't have thought a negative hook would fall foul of WP:DYKHOOKBLP), but I don't feel strongly enough to override him. I think this needs a different hook altogether.--Laun chba ller 11:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]