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On 22 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Saltburn-by-the-Sea to Saltburn. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Huntcliff

"The town is on the Cleveland Way and just south of the town is the large Huntcliff."
Surely Huntcliff is to the east of Saltburn. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnYeadon (talk • contribs) 22:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I looked on Google Earth, and I think that Huntcliff is located NE of Saltburn, (taking the clock in the Square as the centre of town, and the tip of the cliff as Huntcliff - strictly speaking it is NNE). I will edit the page with this discovery :-) CameronDougherty 14:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Furthermore - isn't it called 'Hunt Cliff'. That is what both my Ordnance Survey maps of the area say. There is a 'Huntcliff Foot' at the bottom of the cliff and also 'Huntcliff Cottages' on top of the cliff, and of course a 'Huntcliff School' but the actual cliff itself is called 'Hunt Cliff'. The OS isn't the final answer on these matters of course. JohnYeadon 22:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Hi John, not sure about this, certainly known locally as Huntcliff. CameronDougherty 14:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC) Always known as Huntcliff. Guy Graham[reply]

I also wonder why the S in "Sea" in Saltburn-by-the-Sea is upper case? CameronDougherty 14:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reference to the origin of the name. I think that this relates to the fact that there is a salt-water stream or burn(Saltburn Beck) that meets the sea close to the Ship Inn at the foot of Huntcliff. Not sure what the 'by-the-Sea' suffix refers to though ;-). No mention of the miniature railway or the now demolished ha'penny bridge.

The original name 'Saltburn' which refers to the hamlet at the foot of Huntcliff means 'Salty Stream' or 'Salty Burn', Burn being a Scottish word for 'River'. 'Saltburn' means quite simply 'where the river meets the sea'.

The Beck is actually called 'Skelton Beck'.

The name of Saltburn-by-the-Sea is a Victorian construct used as a marketing tool to promote development in the new town planned by Henry Pease and his associated partners. It was to used differentiate between Saltburn, the original hamlet (which later became known as Old Saltburn) and Saltburn in Invergordon, Scotland to avoid any confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CD68 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The funicular railway

Some major maintenance was in fact carried out in 1976, when wooden parts of the tracking and structure were replaced with concrete and bricking. The work was done by JW Pearson Ltd. Both my grandfather and father were contractors there and I remember the baking weather as my mum and I visited from Middlesbrough and my dad risked life and limb to recover a football from the pier roof, when at the time is was in a very poor state of repair.

History and refs

For those looking to improve this article, and wanting refs, have a look at this pdf from Redcar & Cleveland councils archive. Nice history section in Appendix5! Rgds, - Trident13 (talk) 16:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The disputed story of the house on Milton Street and Marine Parade

The following was included - and disputed ... on the page mind you ... without much by way of supporting information. I'm sure that both stories have some basis in truth; perhaps each editor is describing a different building, and perhaps we can find the truth with a little investigation.

What should never happen, of course, is to have such a public debate in the middle of an article. Perhaps it serves as a reminder that all information should be referenced.

=== Post 1881 ===

After Henry died in 1881, S.I.C. was sold to the Middlesbrough Estate in 1883, and the development of Saltburn became the responsibility of the local council.

The Pease family had built a residence at the junction of Marine Parade and Milton Street, and lived there until Sir Joseph W. Pease died in 1903. The house was sold to the Working Men's Club and Institute Union—the CIU, which converted it into a convalescent home for members, one of several around the country. Its residents came, from the major working-class areas of the UK, for subsidised two-week breaks. They were recognisable from the yellow button badges issued by the Superintendent on arrival. The Milton Street Club, located next door was understandably popular among the clubmen.

NB. The CIU building was never a residence of the Pease Family. It was purpose built by the Pease brothers as a convalescent home in 1872. Rapp's guide to Saltburn, published in 1870, maintains that Pease and Co. bought two houses in Garnet Street and opened them as a convalescent home, adding that 168 people benefitted in 1868. The building presently owned by the CIU was opened in 1872 at a cost of £12,000. Mary Pease (wife of Henry) wrote that it was built to serve 60 patients and often handled 500 a year under the guiding hand of Joseph W. Pease. After the turn of the century the building was used as a temporary base for Silcoates School which had been burnt out in Wakefield, before it was ultimately bought by the Workingmen's Club Union. Today its fate hangs in the balance. Francis Hannaway (talk) 21:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The second paragraph here is the correct one. As somebody who has spent more than 30 years researching the history of Saltburn I can say with some authority that the majority of historical information relating to Saltburn on the internet is a load of rubbish. Saltburn's own Wikipedia page is riddled with inaccuracies and these have been merely copied by (I'm sure) people with honourable intentions but all they have achieved is to muddy the waters between fact and fiction, even more. To update the previous paragraph though; Saltburn's former Convalescent Home (now renamed Saltburn House) was purchased by Hayes Workingmen's Club in 2013 and continues as a members club also offering good quality, low cost accommodation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CD68 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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List of pubs seems to be over the top

Keith D 14:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the list of public houses:

If a town is to be more than a dormitory then it will have meeting places. Meeting places, including pubs, are what makes a town. Pubs are currently closing nationally at the rate of 36 a week. I think it is entirely reasonable to note the previous names and current status of pubs before the memory of them is lost forever.

Observantcynic (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved - there is a clear consensus against moving. (non-admin closure) Lennart97 (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saltburn-by-the-Sea → Saltburn – Why does the suffix "by-the-sea" have to be on the article name. The redirect "Saltburn" already links to the page. Chocolateediter (talk) 13:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose That is what map sources call it. Keith D (talk) 17:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Because -by-the-Sea is how the Ordnance Survey name it. Stuffed Cat (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC) 20:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)~[reply]

Oppose per WP:WIAN, [1] as with Thornaby-on-Tees. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – note .gov^[1] recommends consulting University of Nottingham site^[2] for places in England, it lists "Stockton on Tees", "Thornaby", "Marske" and "Saltburn". Chocolateediter (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But it lists the OS for Great Britain while KEPN for the etymology and WP:WIAN notes maps, KEPN is mainly a history website while the OS publishes modern place names. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary dis-ambiguity is annoying, why are perfectly-short commonly-used names for places not used when the articles in question already have redirects to these commonly-used short names. Thornaby is most annoying since they isn’t another place called Thornaby. Oh well, could I at least use just Saltburn for tables and in the case when it is known that it is the area’s Saltburn. Same going for Marske and Thornaby. Chocolateediter (talk) 00:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Town?

Saltburn to my knowledge hasn’t had a historic market charter, borough incorporated or town council. Farmers market I think has been going since 2008. So is it a town? Chocolateediter (talk) 15:26, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Car speed trials

1911 Grand Prix season talks about a use of Saltburn Sands to trial the speed of their racing car. It doesn't seem that attempt (or any other) broke the land speed record, but even so - if this was a regular occurrence there, mentioning it would seem like an interesting addition. Was it? -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 22:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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ha'penny bridge

why's there nowt about it? my band, from marske, even wrote a piece of music about it, but there's no mention of it here even though it can be clealry seen in one of the pics.

duncanrmi (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A quick Google shows there's ample published material (and very interesting, too) including a short BBC video to support this addition; incorporating it may be more difficult, though. As you have a long Wikipedia registration you should be in a position to tackle it yourself.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Saltburn" listed at Redirects for discussion

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