Talk:Salvia palaestina

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This source say Palestine: [1] This source [2] does not contain "west bank", which shows that the sentence added here without any new source; [3]"including what was historically known as Palestine, (which now includes Syria, Israel and the West Bank" is false and not following the sources. Not only is it unsourced, but its also irrelevant for the article, if people want to read about Palestine they can read the Palestine article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We do not to use inaccurate bits of infomation, albeit they are found in RS. We know better on this geographical point than this source does and therefore my version is correct. The old version is confusing with regards to current term usage. Chesdovi (talk) 09:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its not inaccurate, the source says Palestine, the text you added is false. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for repetition here. It is better to name all pertaining countries, as I have done, than to mention "Palestine" as well. The designation of "Palestine" is surplus here. All the pertaining countries are named. Palestine is: "a conventional name used to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and various adjoining lands". Or "as a geographic term, Palestine can refer to "ancient Palestine," an area that today includes Israel and the Palestinian territories, as well as part of Jordan, and some of both Lebanon and Syria." I tried to accommodate the word Palestine, but now think it is not needed at all, whether the source mentions is or not. We don't need to copy everything the source says! Chesdovi (talk) 10:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I support the current version[4] or something like it (in spite of the nasty comments and edit-warring by the IP who changed it). Distribution of plants is based on geographic regions—the use of nation/state names is only a convenience (or inconvenience in this case). This plant was named and described in 1832, based on the then current broadest meaning of "Palestine" as the entire region. Since "Palestine" can mean many things to many people, we need to explain the geographic distribution/meaning that it's referring to. In this case, "a wide area including what was historically known as Palestine, (which now includes Israel, Syria, and the West Bank)" is much more correct than simply saying "Palestine". First Light (talk) 18:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Largely agree with First Light, though I wonder whether we could simply parse the wording down to "geographic Palestine". NickCT (talk) 17:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that may be interpreted by some people as the geography covered by the State of Palestine, which is officially called "Palestine". Eliminating the wordiness, in this case, would result in ambiguity. First Light (talk) 03:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]