Talk:Sam Simon/GA1

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I will review this article since I have created so many poker player articles and TV/movie producer navboxes this year.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LEAD
Early life
Early career

I just don't see that as necessary and think it looks clunky, out of place and overdetailed. I'll put years ranges after the seasons, but I personally think that suffices for explaining when things happened. Gran2 22:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I understand your argument for the second type of correction but not for the first.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've put the years in brackets after the seasons, rather than in front. I'll link the years to the US schedule pages. Gran2 12:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • What is going on with this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I decided that linking to the schedule pages was unnecessary. Gran2 15:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • On second thoughts, that's a stupid idea. They are now linked. Gran2 17:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Simpsons
Subsequent television work
Other ventures
  • He was named 2004 World Boxing Manager of the Year needs an organization like Ring Magazine.
    • The source doesn't mention one and I can't find anything that does. Gran2 22:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fully itemize his in the money finishes. (E.g. see David Baker (poker player, born c. 1970s) for what I mean)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • You mean list each event he won money in with his placing and winnings? I don't understand exactly what you mean. As he isn't a pro I decided merely summarizing his winnings and WSOP record would suffice, to avoid overdetailing fairly trivial info. I don't know. Gran2 22:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The following phrase tells the reader how well he did and at what: "At the 817-player $5,000 2011 Triple Chance No-Limit Hold’em Event 50 Bakes placed 32nd for a prize of $21,311". "he finished 329th for a $39,445 payday" and "he won the 2009 L.A. Poker Open" are less informative to me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • It just seems like trivial overdetailing to me. But maybe that's because I don't care about poker. I'll add them all in if you really think it's necessary, but I don't. Gran2 10:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, link to 2007 World Series of Poker and 2011 World Series of Poker.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:24, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • Right, I think I've done what you wanted. Gran2 12:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll expand the lead and add the external links (although Bluff and WSOP are already used as references), but I think the poker section would be undue weight. He's not a pro, as he says in the article, and his poker 'career' is largely a hobby (albeit a very profitable one). In terms of notability via coverage, it has received far less coverage than the dog shelter and his management of Brewster. Certainly compared to Jennifer Tilly, I don't think it really justifies more of a mention than it already has. Gran2 13:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll settle for just a secondary poker infobox, although I think you should consider things like this and this in terms of poker coverage.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done. Gran2 14:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I was unclear. In the main text, the addition of an infobox sufficient change rather than a whole dedicated section. You still need to add Emmys and ITMs to the LEAD. You should also fully enumerate in the text two more poker events (the largest professional field over which he finished first, the largest prize). These may be two different events and they may be the same. Look at all the new ELs and decide.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Right, fine, done.... Gran2 15:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • {{convert}} acre.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even though it's in a quote, done. Gran2 10:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awards
  • What do you think about linking to each annual Emmy Award show article on first mention?
    • Hmm. Why isn't his name mentioned in any of these articles?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've no idea. Probably because they're incomplete articles. The official Emmys site very clearly states that he won them. Gran2 12:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the award he has won 7 times should be mentioned first.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I just put them in chronological order. Gran2 12:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to be offline for the rest of the afternoon. I will do a readthrough tonight, but it is looking good.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Probably need to change "biggest win " to "biggest win in terms of both field size and prize money"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Gran2 18:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Fails 6a because most Hollywood folks are suppose to have {{personality rights}} on their images. This is a borderline case since he is not really an onscreen personality, but we might as well protect his rights anyway since he is somewhat recognizable. Fails 6b because a WP:CAPTION should not end in a full stop if it is not a full sentence. Either make it a full sentence or remove the full stop.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    I am just about ready to pass this. One minor issue is the talk page. Simon should probably be in several more projects. I would check those at Talk:The Simpsons and those at Talk:World Series of Poker.

A few minor issue and then we are done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right, the images things are done. I've tagged it with WP:COMEDY. If other projects want to tag this page they are more than welcome to, but I don't really see why that's my responsibility. Gran2 11:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your hard work and patience with my review. I am now passing this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your review. Gran2 13:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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