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Requested move 16 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Samuel Clark (U.S. politician) and the dab page as well. No such user (talk) 14:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]



– There are multiple people of the name, and this person isn't clearly more significant than any other with the name. Propose that the person be moved out of the way, and the disambiguation page take prominence. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC) — billinghurst sDrewth 07:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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Requested move 27 July 2016

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Samuel Clark (New York and Michigan politician). There is a clear consensus (which also led to the relisting following a move review) that the current name is not appropriate, but no firm agreement as to which is the best new disambiguator to use. One or two favour the proposed "Michigan politician" but there is some reasonable concern over the accuracy, which is fair because those who know him as a New York politician might not find that WP:RECOGNIZEable. It's really a choice between the birth year dab and the dab which mentions both states, and there is a slight favouring in vote count towards the latter, (4 to 3 I think) and it may be marginally more recognizable than the birth year, so I'm declaring tha the result.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]



Samuel Clark (U.S. politician)Samuel Clark (Michigan politician) – The present title is incomplete disambiguation, as there are articles on two other U.S. politicians named Samuel Clark. This one was a politician in both Michigan and New York, but I've chosen Michigan as the disambiguator as he was more important to the history of Michigan, and Samuel Reed Clark was also from New York. Samuel Clark (U.S. politician) should point to the dab page. Cúchullain t/c 14:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting for needed feedbackSam Sailor Talk! 11:15, 5 August 2016 (UTC) --RM previously closed as no consensus. Re-opened per move review consensus — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 18:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.)
Akin to Clark's consecutive representation of two states {Samuel Clark (New York and Michigan politician)}, he was also consecutively a member of two parties {Samuel Clark (Jacksonian and Democratic politician)} [per Category:Jacksonian members of the United States House of Representatives]. In any event, if support develops for the "(Democratic)" formulation, I will also join that political faction since the aim is to revise the present qualifier. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Jacksonian democracy is the origins of the Democratic party. PaleAqua (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If, for the purpose of arriving at a consensus for an acceptable qualifier, we decide to agree on the particulars of mid-19th-century U.S. politics [Clark's congressional terms were 20 years apart — 1833–35 as a Jacksonian and 1853–55 as a Democrat] regarding the legacy of Jacksonian Party as predecessor of the modern U.S. Democratic Party, that would also facilitate a resolution. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment from nominator: Thank you for re-opening, Andy M. Wang. I'm open to other possibilities besides the one I suggested, but the present title is incomplete disambiguation and isn't a suitable title. It needs to point to the dab page.
It appears there won't be an ideal title here, we'll have to pick the best among the less-good options. In my opinion, (Michigan politician) is our best bet; while it doesn't explain everything he was known for, as he was also a politician in New York, parentheticals don't need to cover everything. Their main purpose is to distinguish the subject from others, and "(Michigan politician)" appropriately distinguishes him from Samuel Reed Clark, who could also be called "(New York politician)". This Clark is also apparently best known for his activities in Michigan. "(politician, born 1800)" could also work, though it's less recognizable and concise. As for the middle name, it looks like he may not have had one, at least one that appears in sources enough that it's usable disambiguation.
At any rate, the bottom line is that it needs to move from the present incomplete disambiguation.--Cúchullain t/c 13:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per the below comments, I'd also support Samuel Clark (politician, born 1800). (New York and Michigan politician) would also be an improvement, but isn't very concise.--Cúchullain t/c 20:18, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Although I would prefer the existence of at least one other analogous entry which specifies the birth year in such a fashion, if consensus can coalesce around Samuel Clark (politician, born 1800), I am willing to also support that form. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.