Talk:Sancha, heiress of León

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Untitled[edit]

What is the source for the titled Blessed? Which pope beatified her? Srnec (talk) 23:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, for some reason Alfonso IX of León say she was blessed Sancha.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 02:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone improve this article? There is very little link to this article and her sister's article.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 03:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article and her sister's are almost identical text! And where did this date of 1243 come from? What reliable source? Srnec (talk) 03:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This link seems to say she was born in the autumm of 1191 and died after 1243.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 03:38, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I figured that was your source, but since FMG provides no source for that claim, I wouldn't add it. I trust FMG where it has citations, but otherwise I think it best not to. Srnec (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leonese female succession[edit]

Leonese female succession was not barred. What about Urraca of León and Castile?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 03:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just wrote what the source said, but I agree that it sounds odd. Problem is, I'm not sure what it means. I read in Stanley Payne's history of Spain and Portugal that: "According to Leonese custom, the crown could not be inherited by a woman alone, so immediately after the death of Alfonso VI she was wed to the only reigning king in Hispania, Alfonso I "the Battler," sovereign of Aragón and Navarre." What do you make of that? I wish I knew what the primary sources for this claim were. It is certainly true that we find no women holding fiefs of the crown in León-Castile at this time. No woman was a count in her own right. Clearly, customary law had something to say about what offices a woman could hold, even if Visigothic law allowed that they could inherit anything a man could. I just skimmed a bit of Reilly, Urraca, but I didn't find anywhere that he addresses contemporary legal opinion about her reign, which was certainly very real. Srnec (talk) 04:29, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is very accurate. I don't think female succession could have been barred in Leon if her father Alfonso IX was intending to let her be his heir, disregarding his legitimate son by his second wife. If there had been laws barring female succession, her brother could have merely taken the throne from her and her sister and not paid them anything to renounce their right of succession.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 06:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

It says the people of Leon didn't support her and her sister but her brother instead. But the Catalan wiki says "Tot i que la noblesa de Lleó va donar suport inicial a les dues reines, la majoria de l'aristocràcia i el clergat van donar suport al rei castellà, veient amb bons ulls la unificació amb Castella." While the nobility of León gave initial support to the two queens, most of the aristocracy and clergy supported the Spanish king, seeing with eyes of unification with Castella. There is a lot of good info on the other language wikis that someone should translate to this article.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 06:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Counting her and Dulce as monarchs[edit]

Can we count her sister and her as monarchs of Leon? Her step-mother was count as Queen regnant of Castile for the period Henry I of Castile died and she renounced her right to her son. Why can't she and her sister be counted as Queen regnants of Leon?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 06:24, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved as requested, but with a lower-case 'h' per discussion below. - GTBacchus^(talk) 23:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sancha of León (born 1191/2) → Sancha, Heiress of León — Better then dates. Her entire notability was as heiress of Leon with her sister. There is no question on her and her sister's status as heiress. They were recognized by their father and possibly Portugal and the fraction of the Leonese nobility opposed to union with Castile. Her brother Ferdinand had renounced his right to the Leonese throne in 1218 and had to buy their right from both his sisters in order to become king.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I also support the move, an example of it is Joan, Heiress of Navarre--David (talk) 16:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - An example you created. . . Srnec (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like a capitalised "heiress". The title I moved it to way back, Sancha (daughter of Alfonso IX of León), is better than the proposal if you can't stand the dates. I don't know why you think anybody is denying she was an heiress. I wrote the article and it says as much. Srnec (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't like the capital H either, as it makes it look like it's an actual title (cf. Heir of Norway). Opera hat (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merger proposal[edit]

We should consider merging the articles Sancha, heiress of León and Dulce of León. As noted by Srnec 11 years ago, the structure of the articles and the information presented in them are identical. This is not surprising, as historians always discuss the sisters as a pair. Indeed, from the moment they were designated as heirs, their fates were so entwined that they are not treated individually in scholarly literature. Joint biographies are not unheard of on Wikipedia and I doubt there is a better case for one than this. Surtsicna (talk) 15:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]