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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 18:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is still no response from the nominator, who filed last week as an instructor for a fall WikiEd course despite failing to follow up on this course where they were a student. Closing now as abandoned and not having met DYK requirements.

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~~... that Sarah Sayifwanda, the first Zambian Minister of Gender and Development, was once arrested for allegedly inciting a tribal fight?~~ Source: "Last year, Zambia Police arrested Ms Sayifwanda in connection with the tribal fight that occurred in Zambezi district between the Lunda’s and Luvales during an ECZ delimitation.

It was alleged that Ms Sayifwanda was the one who forcefully grabbed the microphone from the ECZ official and strongly opposed the creation of a central constituency which the majority voted in favor of. Ms Sayifwanda’s behaviour was said to be what triggered the throwing of chairs at each other by the lundas and luvales as she accused the electoral commission of Zambia officials of siding with the luvales."

https://www.lusakatimes.com/2020/12/31/former-zambezi-east-mp-sara-sayifwanda-has-died/

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ulmus chuchuanus

Created by 19jshi (talk). Self-nominated at 00:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@19jshi: Article new and long enough and hook is verifiable. At this point though, I'm not entirely comfortable with the article's shape - the "Childhood and family" subsection is blank, and the subsection lengths are just around 2-3 sentences each - they could just be merged into one single undivided section. Also, the references are naked urls - not necessarily a DYK requirement, but it would certainly help a lot to follow the guideline WP:BURL. Again, not necessary, but makes it look nice. Juxlos (talk) 08:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I did not know about the BURL guideline, thank you for pointing it out. That has been resolved. 19jshi (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice work. Hope you make more Zambia DYKs - always nice to see more of the less covered countries here. Juxlos (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @19jshi and Juxlos: Hi there! I'm gonna strike ALT0 on BLP guidelines; yes, she's no longer alive, but those can apply for a relatively long amount of time after death. She appears to be a national politician, I don't think we should run a hook that alleges she committed a crime she wasn't convicted of, it falls afoul of WP:BLPCRIME. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 12:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - without a viable hook, the nomination can't proceed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, the nom appears to be a student editor and hasn't responded to a talk page message. Perhaps someone more familiar with African topics can help out here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps an editor familiar with politics like Jon698 could propose a new hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Perhaps this could work. "... that Sarah Sayifwanda was one of eleven MMD members in the National Assembly of Zambia that defected to the UPND?" Jon698 (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Without additional context that hook doesn't really say much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that new hook isn't particularly interesting: if the defection had caused a change in the balance of power and government, that's one thing, but the source gives no inkling of such a thing—party changes don't seem that noteworthy absent context (which is not given in the article). Also, the two remaining naked URLs must be dealt with: per WP:DYKSG#D3, References in the article must not be bare URLs. Jon698, I see that you did considerable work on the article (including deleting a section on the Pan-African Parliament; if it's not relevant, shouldn't it also be removed from the lede and the infobox?). BlueMoonset (talk) 23:20, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator hasn't edited since May 4 and no one has been able to come forward with a suitable hook. In addition, there are some issues with article referencing still unaddressed. As such, the nomination is marked for closure, without prejudice against the nomination continuing if the bare URL references are fixed and a new suitable hook is proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the death of Zambian legislator Sarah Sayifwanda caused a day of national mourning – five days after her death?
It's... it's whatever, honestly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That hook isn't really unique for her. It's not unusual for a national day of mourning to not happen immediately after their death. In some cases, the day of mourning coincides with the date of the deceased's burial, which is often days or even a week of more after their death. If the national morning's circumstances were unusual, that could potentially work as a hook, but merely having a day of national mourning days after their death isn't uncommon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for the article!.

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 06:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]