Talk:Scottish society in the Middle Ages

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Right then - I will jot queries below and make any straightforward copyedits as I go (please revert if I inadvertently change the meaning...) Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish society in the Middle Ages is the organisation of society between the departure of the Romans from Britain in the fifth century and the establishment of the Renaissance in the early fifteenth century. - I must say the repeating of the title in the first sentence makes for some weird prose sometimes - if we can somehow lose the second "society" it'd read better....maybe "Scottish society in the Middle Ages covers the period between the departure of the Romans from Britain in the fifth century and the establishment of the Renaissance in the early fifteenth century."....

Done. I hopefully have solved this problem, but these opening sentences are always tricky.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From the thirteenth century there are sources that allow greater stratification in society to be seen - makes it sound like the stratification was greater - should it be ...From the thirteenth century there are sources that give greater insight to the stratification in society ?

Done. It may be more stratified, but it is more that it can be seen.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~link gresemen~~

There is no article for gresemen - unless you found something I missed.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd never encountered it before reading this article, so would be good to link or explain somehow. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I've added "grazing tenant" into the lead..Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~link Picts~~

Done--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indications are that society in North Britain contained relatively large numbers of slaves - do we have any numbers to quantify this at all? any information which can give even some idea would be extremely helpful. Also, any information which helps understand the nature of slavery in Scotland (compared with, say, Rome)

Sadly we have almost no sources from which to construct this. Our knowledge is just odd mentions in letters and the assumption that it is a lot like England and Ireland.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any examples of the merchants vs craftsmen conflicts would make the Social conflict section more engaging.

The easy to find cases are pretty uninformative. I have a memory a more interesting one from Aberdeen, but I am still working on finding it.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have spent some hours looking for an example, but cannot find a usable one. I will keep an eye out in the future, but I think that is the best I can do for now.--SabreBD (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is it worth mentioning anything about ~~religion?~~ (nevermind, seen Christianity in Medieval Scotland) children? literacy?~~

Going back to this one, I am not sure whether or not to add something on popular religion. The danger here is that a topic like this can just keep on growing. I would appreciate any thoughts.--SabreBD (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added some sections on popular religion. Please take a look and let me know what you think.--SabreBD (talk) 17:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see - interesting bits added - I wonder, some overlap is necessary with Christianity in Medieval Scotland clearly but how much is too much....I think they are probably fine as is. i.e. cap religion off as is. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Avoiding overlap is difficult, but I tried to focus on the popular religion aspects.--SabreBD (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much impossible to say very much about children for the same reasons as with slaves. There is some archaeological evidence of childhood disease. I will take a look at this today and see if anything meaningful can be said. I added sections on Education, which include as much as can be said about literacy for the period. This also necessitated a bit or re-arrangement and prompted me to add sub-headings to the Earl and High sections.--SabreBD (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Much better - the material on schools is a good add. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:39, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also dragged something together on children. Although it is limited to the late Medieval, it does sort of round off the article.--SabreBD (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that is good. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Overall a nice tight read. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK unless I missed something, I think that is all I can do.--SabreBD (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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- clinically executed and a good read. nice work. Remaining queries I had are not deal-breakers and we can only write what we have sources for. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]