Talk:Segrave Trophy

Corrected information

I corrected names and dates from info at RAC - looked more reliable, without names misspelled! Much confusion arises because nominal date of award and date that trophy was presented can differ. Also some names may refer to subsidiary "Segrave Medal". Need to get more info ? from archivist at RAC. --mervyn 13:55, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I found the date issue to be confusing too. Thanks for your help in the article! Royalbroil 05:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

British citizens/subjects

It is incorrect to claim that the Segrave Trophy is awarded to British subjects. I assume that the root cause of the assertion is the common misconception amongst (or lie told by) republicans that permanent inhabitants of monarchies are subjects, and not citizens. There are a few British subjects, but they are very few and far between (the status being a legacy of the single Imperial citizenship). The Segrave Trophy is awarded to citizens; otherwise, since 1981, it would have been restricted to a handful of people in their eighties that hadn't left the country in sixty years. Bastin8 01:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

As I understand, on the terms it was set up in 1930, it went to "the British subject who accomplishes the most outstanding demonstration of the possibilities of transport by land, sea, air, or water". They used the old "British Empire" definition of the time of British subject, and this explains how the Trophy could have been won by a New Zealander eg Bruce McLaren. I can see that we probably need to explain this better to readers, and a link just to British subject is probably confusing. (Also, I dont know the current definition used by RAC, whether they updated "British subject" to British citizen or still might include Commonwealth people should such a candidate arise). So... feel free to amend, but bear in mind it has been won by non-British citizens. Hope this helps, --mervyn 09:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The past (pre-1981) situation is the difficulty; as you explain it, 'subject' is incorrect for the present and 'citizen' is incorrect for the past (I hold both UK and NZ citizenship, and Bruce McLaren might have been the same, so there's a tiny possibility that it was always 'citizen'). I suggest 'British national', which ought to address both adequately. Bastin8 16:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems sensible to me. --mervyn 17:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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