Talk:Separation of powers in Hong Kong

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Submission of Article[edit]

When the article is moved to draft, the respective Wikipedian, MarkH21, said "Viable topic with GNG coverage in RSes, but currently a WP:POVFORK consisting solely of primary documents". I think he need to elaborate his point of view further, at least how the article should be improved, instead of moving the entire article of 10,000 words to the draft page without any discussion nor intention of discussion, and only leave his point of view in 10 words.--D7CY689 (talk) 02:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile, he moved the entire article to the draft page, but he didn't notify me in my talk page though I am the creator of this article. I just know that the page is moved to the draft page by accident. I can be totally unaware after the page is removed.--D7CY689 (talk) 02:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The scope of this article, "Separation of powers in Hong Kong", is covered by multiple secondary reliable sources which can be used to properly write an article with referenced statements about separation of powers in Hong Kong, e.g.
  - South China Morning Post (1, 2)
  - Reuters (link)
  - NHK (link)
  - The Hong Kong Legal System, Cambridge University Press
  - The Hong Kong Subconstitutional Model of Separation of Powers : The Case of Weak Judicial Review, Hong Kong Law Journal
  - The Judicial Perspective of 'Separation of Powers' in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, Journal of International and Comparative Law

Currently, this article reads like a WP:POVFORK with unreferenced original research/synthesis statements like

The Hong Kong government's negation towards the existence of the separation of powers system began after the 2019–20 Hong Kong protests and the passage of the Hong Kong national security law on June 30, 2020

The executive-led separation of powers in Hong Kong is considered to be a special case for historical reasons, as it has not been widely publicized, but its existence is still scattered in official documents

and a collection of primary documents that mention "separation of powers" in the synthesis-titled section Documents that clearly document the existence of the system of separation of powers in Hong Kong.

By the way, draftification is a very standard procedure for underdeveloped new articles or articles with outstanding problems, as documented in WP:DRAFTIFY. Sorry for failing to notify you; I forgot to tick the "Notify creator" box. — MarkH₂₁^talk 03:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to moving[edit]

@MarkH21: this article should not be made a draft because it documents in detail the political structure in Hong Kong, a common law jurisdiction, in the same way as the following articles do:

I object to this move. See Wikipedia:Drafts#Requirements_for_page_movers.--RZuo (talk) 21:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See my response in the section above. This article has serious issues with unreferenced original research/synthesis. This article needs substantial referencing to satisfy the Wikipedia policies of WP:V and WP:NOR. This article clearly meets criteria 1-3 of Wikipedia:Drafts#During new page review. This can be moved back if you absolutely insist, but it's already a pending AfC submission anyways. — MarkH₂₁^talk 21:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So it has to be spelled out for MarkH21:

Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to moving the page. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and if it is not notable list at AfD.--RZuo (talk) 21:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's literally why I said This can be moved back if you absolutely insist. You seem to continue to insist on moving this back to mainspace despite its multiple policy issues. So it will be moved but it needs massive cleanup. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been moved back, the tags have been cleaned up, and the article has been expanded with content that is actually referenced to reliable sources. — MarkH₂₁^talk 00:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]