Talk:Serge Koussevitzky

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Musical works[edit]

a "well-regarded number of musical works"? was someone trying to say that the recordings are well-regarded? this sounds like the works themselves are good, but the performances indifferent. or that the *number* is well-regarded, which is even worse.

It was a sloppy sentence; I fixed it. Anyone can edit here, so if you spot another you can fix it yourself. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:57, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Photo date[edit]

Can somebody get a more accurate date on the picture? — ßottesiηi Tell me what's up 21:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Second wife[edit]

The article makes no mention of his second(?) wife, Olga. Does anyone have any info on when he was married, etc.? --ßottesiηi (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, it was his third wife. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 20:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Instruments[edit]

The Karr-Koussevitzky is neither thought to be made by the Amati brothers nor believed to be constructed in 1611 these days ([1]). Referring to the bass as the Amati in the link would be perfectly acceptable as a common name, but the current link with date implies a definite attribution. -- ßottesiηi (talk) 19:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits by Altufo65[edit]

Editor User talk:Altufo65 made a series of edits that were well-intentioned but of mixed quality. Rather revert his edits, I've put some of his stuff here for now. Nunquam Dormio 08:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back on all of this as 2008 looms before us with its endless electioneering, perhaps the time has come for Sony/RCA and/or Testament to at least reissue the brilliant series of high fidelity magnetic tape recordings led by Koussevitzky and the Boston Symphony in 1949 and 1950. Beginning in April, 1949, we have -- only potentially, of course -- major works by Tchaikovsky (fourth symphony, Waltz from "Serenade for Strings", followed that summer by the complete "Serenade", plus pieces by Cowell and Satie as well as the wrap-up of the six "Brandenburgs," Mozart overtures, Haydn's "Oxford" Symphony (No. 92), the afore mentioned Prokofiev, Sibelius and Grieg, and other works. Of course, nothing will happen at all unless all music lovers with any appreciation of one of the world's greatest conductors at the helm of that aristocrat of orchestras, the Boston Symphony, gets off their duffs and start ASKING for, nay, DEMANDING the rerelease on CD of these historic milestones. On the other hand, perhaps, we can just keep hoping and waiting, and waiting and hoping, until finally the magnetic oxide falls off the acetate backings, and their reissue is just another "might have been'. It's up to you, my dear, as Serge would have said. It's up to you.

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Sergei Koussevitzky → Serge Koussevitzky — - This is the virtually universal version of the name found in reference works, and the way he spelt his own name in the West. -- JackofOz (talk) 05:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sergei vs. Serge[edit]

His legal name was Sergei (or Sergey, depending on the romanisation system used), but was he not universally known - in the West at least - as Serge (the French version)? That would be by far the most commonly found version of his name in reference works etc. Let's move it back to Serge Koussevitzky. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. He signed himself as "Serge": see here, and that should be sufficient reason to move it back. Also in 1950 he founded the Serge Koussevitzky Music Foundation in the Library of Congress for commissioning new works, and that's the spelling he used. --Robert.Allen (talk) 03:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It will probably require an administrator to move it back, since a redirect page named Serge Koussevitzky already exists. This was the name of the original page before Nunquam Dormio moved it to Sergei Koussevitzky (07:54, 2 August 2007), because the name in the article (at the time) did not agree with the page name, and, somewhat surprisingly, there apparently haven't been any objections until now. Do you know how to ask an admin to do it? (I'm assuming no one will have any serious objections.)--Robert.Allen (talk) 04:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, the New Grove (2nd ed.) uses "Sergey" for the forename, puts his middle name in parentheses "(Aleksandrovich)," and gives "[Kusevitsky]" as the alternative transliteration of his surname (which doesn't agree with anything we have now, for transliterations I mean). And why in the world do we need the transliteration into Polish? --Robert.Allen (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can list it at Wikipedia:Requested moves, and it will happen soon enough assuming there aren't any objections.
It doesn't need an administrator, just a swap of text essentially. The Polish transliteration is there as somebody added in good faith as if it as if were an English one. It seemed easier to clarify that point than to delete that editor's input. 92.233.109.79 (talk) 07:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that the preferred method is to "move" the page in order to preserve the edit history. Just cutting and pasting the text to the redirect page won't do that. --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's correct. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keeping track of page moves could be a full time job; sometimes there's a very good reason why a page has a certain title, but not all of us have the time to check whether there's been a discussion and a consensus, or whether someone has just decided to be bold (which we're encouraged to do). Or the energy to do something about a title we're not particularly happy with but can live with.
As for Grove, I don't like some of their titles. They had Rachmaninoff listed as "Sergey Rakhmaninov" and Scriabin as "Aleksandr Skryabin" for a while, and may still do for all I know. Their content is generally fabulous, but their approach to romanisation is ... well, different from ours, shall we say. Mind you, some of our article titles are contentious at best: Feodor Chaliapin is a case in point. For my money, his given name has to be Fyodor, because "Feodor" invites people to mis-rhyme it with its English equivalent Theodore, as a 3-syllable word, whereas Fyodor is a 2-syllable word. Fyodor's accepted at Fyodor Dostoyevsky, but not at Chaliapin. Then there are the Dmitri's vs. Dimitri's vs. Dmitry's, and the -eev surnames (Mendeleev, which looks like a 3-syllable name, when in fact it's 4: Men-de-ley-ev). I could go on, but I already have been .... I guess the whole point of a collaborative project like Wikipedia is that no one editor is ever going to get their own way all the time. Rats!!  :) -- JackofOz (talk) 05:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The BSO web site gives his forename as "Serge": see here and here. --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, I've already started that discussion for Diaghilev. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Serge as he himself chose his preferred transliteration as given above. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

premiere recording of Haydn 94[edit]

According to this article Koussevitzky made the first recording of Joseph Haydn, Symphony No. 94 in G ("Surprise") with the Boston Symphony Orchestra, but no year is given. According to the CHARM database (http://www.charm.kcl.ac.uk/discography/search/page(2);jsessionid=08D86C00C0E49CDA722F409AAF60ABEB.balancer2) there is a recording dating from 1912, as well as two from 1925. Were these earlier than his? Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 00:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like that would be correct. Edward Young (ARSC Journal, vol. 21, Spring 1990, p. 65) says that Koussevitzky's first recording of the symphony was made on 22 and 24 April 1928 in Symphony Hall, Boston by Victor records. (I removed the item and added links to both parts of the discography to the "External links" section). --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Koussevitzky's first recordings[edit]

According to this article Koussevitzky made his first recordings in 1927. This is not supported by Edward Young's discography (in the "External links" section). He says Koussevitzky's first recordings (playing his double bass) occurred six weeks before his first commercial recording on 13 November 1928 (Strainsky's Petrouchka suite). I do not see a citation for the 1927 date. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Champion of contemporary music[edit]

I don’t know much about Koussevitzky, but this section is rather odd: half is about the orchestration of a (for him, non-contemporary) 19th century work. This paragraph also has a long sentence about one conductor’s view about this orchestration and his recording, which does not seem germane, as well as an assertion that “practically every celebrated conductor in existence” has recorded it. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if the above sentence is still relevant. Acroyear (talk) 15:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One to add (I don't have time to find a citation now, but it was referenced in Rattle's Leaving Home documentary set) is Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra. Acroyear (talk) 15:31, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Family[edit]

Fabien Sevitzky's bio says he was K's nephew, which is what I heard growing up in IndianapolisGwgoldb (talk) 02:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC) I just noticed the same thing -- and corrected it. 24.186.37.242 (talk) 08:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it makes sense to include in the Kousevitsky bibliography the first two volumes of a three-volume monograph written (SORRY) by me:


Victor Yuzefovich. Serge Koussevitzky. Russian Years. Moscow, 2004(In Russian). Victor Yuzefovich. Serge Koussevitzky. (“In Paris”) Moscow, 2014 (In Russian)

108.18.153.109 (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2019 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).[reply]

Koussevitsky Double Bass concerto[edit]

In the Reinhold Gliere article it says that Koussevitsky completed Gliere's concerto, while here says that Koussevizksky tried to claim it as his own. Would this concerto be the same as this one?

Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 23:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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