Talk:Serranus Clinton Hastings

Serranus Clinton Hastings was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 19, 2007	WikiProject peer review	Reviewed
July 1, 2007	Good article nominee	Not listed
July 25, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
January 8, 2010	Good article reassessment	Kept
May 28, 2021	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 25, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Serranus Clinton Hastings* served as chief justice of both the Iowa and California Supreme Courts?*
A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on November 22, 2017.
Current status: Delisted good article

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A short note[edit]

I'm the editor responsible for bringing this article from this to this. If you're confused about something while editing this article drop a note on my talk page. --Psych less 02:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

There are several odd-sounding phrases in the text. Examples I found quickly include: "began having an interest in the law" (became interested?), "he got involved in the territory's politics" (just state how) and "his family moved to California and established a residence in Benicia, California" (his family moved to Benicia, Calfornia).
Also, the sentence "His family was to move there at a later time." doesn't seem to serve any real purpose. This becomes apparent in the next paragraph
There are several places where partial dates (e.g. December 1836). These provide little context, and should probably be removed. (See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Partial_dates
The links to Editor and Burlington are left ambiguous.
Several terms are wikilinked multiple times, providing no additional context - Hastings college of Law, United States House of Representatives, University of California, Attorney General of California, California
The article details a number of offices that Hastings held, but doesn't say much about what he did in any of them. Perhaps he did nothing notable, or perhaps more research is needed.

I think this article still needs some work to be considered GA. Acdixon 14:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re check[edit]

The article is more comprehensive now, but the part from 1840-1846 is unconvincing. It needs to tell us what he did in those times, rather than just mark out the dates of each of his terms. If nothing useful happened, then the paragraph should be condensed to say that he had two consecutive terms instead of the date of every single term. There should be something interesting about teh election campaign at least? I don't think the exact date is necessary if there is nothing interesting about the period. Is there a reason why his family moved across the country? The sentences in the last section are very short and need to flow more logically. It appears to be a set of dot points strung together at the moment. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Due to some limitations I can not fix most of those things, here's why:

I'm sure something useful happened but I can't find any information on what he did during those times. If do a quick google search you'll see how difficult it was to find information on this man, some information just doesn't exist. I think the dates should stay in. Wikipedia is lacking coverage on the territorial legislature of Iowa. If I was to remove those dates people would assume that he served consecutive one year terms.
Are you talking about his campaign for Attorney General? I barely found who he was running against, much less his campaign. I hesitate to remove the date because I don't see the point of being less specific about it.
I'm assuming that his family moved across the country to be with him, but have no source to back my idea up. I also have no idea why he decided to move to California in the first place.
I tried to copyedit that last section, but it didn't go well. Do you have any advice? His later years aren't documented that well so it's hard to connect one idea to the next when they are barely related.

I hoped this helped address some of your concerns. Psych less 01:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it's a weak pass then. I mean there doesn't seem to be anything particularly actionable if the information doesn't exist or only exists in historical primary documents. It would make it difficult to get any further though, but good job with what was available. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, if I do ever come across more information on him I'll be sure to add it :). Psych less 15:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps[edit]

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Lampman (talk) 00:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Namesake of Hasting Law School article[edit]

Anyone care to incorporate this info into the article? Bruce Anderson, "The Genocidal Namesake of the Hastings School of Law," Counterpunch, February 5, 2007.--S. Rich (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done, slightly, per the following new source, although the section should be greatly expanded.Mike Moffitt (December 7, 2020). "Hastings Law balks at name change despite founder's role in genocide". SFGate. I will also look into how to nominate this article for reassessment as a good article. I can't imagine how it would be a good article if it omits details of what is probably the most notable thing about this person – being a major genocidal figure is probably more significant than being a judge or founding a law school - Wikidemon (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Community reassessment[edit]

Serranus Clinton Hastings[edit]

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: Delist following no action. CMD (talk) 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe this biographical article meets the criteria for a good article, given the relative lack of coverage of the subject's being a significant participant in the California genocide. The article covers Hastings' career as a judge, and founding his namesake institution, one of the major US law schools. However, apart from a minor mention I just added as a placeholder,[1] the article does not cover his personal participation in the murder of dozens and perhaps hundreds of innocent Native American men, women, and children, on an ongoing basis during a span of years of his life on a forced labor camp he ran, as well as "Indian hunts" he organized. This is covered by major mainstream media articles and a commission created by his law school, so the verifiability and significance is not reasonably in dispute. This mostly unmentioned aspect of his life would appear to be one of the primary, if not the primary, biographically significant pieces of his life.

The criterion it fails is 3a, failing a requirement that it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Although I added a brief mention, it would take considerable effort to rewrite the article to reflect this history – not a quick or easy fix.

- Wikidemon (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC) Per the main section above, I do not believe this article meets the criteria for a good article, given the relative lack of coverage of Hastings' being a major participant in California genocide. Although I did include a mention, it would take considerable effort to rewrite the article to reflect this history – not a quick fix. - Wikidemon (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've done some editing of the section titled "Accused of Native American Genocide' to make it more readable -- but my edits don't imply that I think this section in its entirety. belongs in this article. This section describes the dispute about the college's name change. To my mind, a shorter text about this subject (such as the one I wrote earlier which was replaced by an enthusiastic editor) was better. But, I'm not going to throw a fit, and I will now hopefully depart from this article.Smallchief (talk)