Talk:Shelter Island Conference

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A guideline question[edit]

I removed description of Oppenheimer as "the most famous participant" because it implies a quantification of fame that is unspecified. I would like to know the guideline that covers this. Is "Puffery" in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch) appropriate? Michael P. Barnett (talk) 15:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A disambiguation need[edit]

How can this article be disambiguated from Shelter Island Conference on Quantum Mechanics in Valence Theory, held in 1951. It was also sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. The Nobel Laureate Robert S. Mulliken organized the meeting. The other participants were Theodore H. Berlin, Bryce L. Crawford, Charles A. Coulson, Henry Eyring, Joseph O. Hirschfelder, George E. Kimball, Masao Kotani, Sir John Lennard-Jones, Per-Olov Lowdin, D. A. McInnes, Henry Margenau, Joseph E. Mayer, William Moffitt, Robert G. Parr, Linus Pauling, Kenneth S. Pitzer, Clemens C. J. Roothaan, Klaus Rudenberg, Harrison Shull, John Clarke Slater, Leslie E. Sutton, C. W. Ufford, John H. Van Vleck, George Wheland, and Michael P. Barnett.^[1] (Hirschfelder, Moffitt, Shull, Wheland all meet criteria for notability in U.S. very easily, likewise Lowdin in Sweden and Kotani in Japan). In 1981, J.C. Light wrote, in an issue of The Journal of Physical Chemistry, that it presented papers from a conference that was "merely the latest in a long sequence of ... conferences ... on theoretical chemistry spanning 3 decades ..." followed by a list that began with the Shelter Island conference.^[2]In 1996, Parr wrote "The fall of 1951 was an exciting time for quantum chemistry ... the Shelter Island Conference on Quantum-Mechanical Methods in Valence Theory ... was singularly important ... ".^[3] I think these comments justify an article on the Quantum Mechanics in Valence conference, and a disambiguation. I do not know how to proceed.

{ Michael P. Barnett (talk) 19:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Robert G. Parr and Bryce L. Crawford. National Academy of Sciences Conference on Quantum-Mechanical Methods in Valence Theory, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 38, 547--554, 1952.
^ J.C. Light, American Conference on Theoretical Chemistry: Introductory Remarks. Journal of Physical Chemistry, 86, 2111-12, 1982
^ R.G. Parr, The Genesis of a Theory, International Journal of Quantum Chemistry, 37, 327--347, 1996.

new page[edit]

Seems to me that a second page should be created, such as Shelter Island Conference on Quantum Mechanics in Valence Theory, 1951 and an appropriate link on this page to that (For the XX Conference in 1951, see this page) created?

I am not an expert though.Jim Killock (talk) Personal blog 14:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on the red underlined phrase and seem to have created havoc by creating an Edit page -- don't understand nuances yet. Sorry -- can you bail things out -- I assume the tactic you suggest is alternative to a disambiguation page -- it leaves present page as the default interpretation, maintains continuity, and saves a page. Fine with me. Leaves field open for other people to request equity (or primacy) not a priority for me. Michael P. Barnett (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added that page and transferred the comments you made. Jim Killock (talk) 10:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cost $850[edit]

Total cost of conference? And who paid? With citation. A modern reader might wonder if it was registration fee. (I assume there wasn't one, but ...) Michael P. Barnett (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this was not a fee but an overall cost for the conference itself. The main reference for all this is Schweber's book that is cited below between the reviews. Of course, I can understand your need to put in evidence a relevant conference for quantum chemistry happened at the same place in the almost the same period. But I invite you to read Schweber's book to have an idea of what this has meant for all physics and why, today, our current understanding of the Universe relies heavily on what these men discussed at that conference. So, I invite you to avoid this sarcasm here that is completely out of place and appears just an evidence of ignorance.--Pra1998 (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How young is "relatively"[edit]

If Feynman was born in 1918 (as per WP article about him), he was 29 at the time of the conference. What was he young relative to? (I was 22 at time of Shelter Island valency conference -- what would be the corresponding descriptor?). Quite apart from any WP legalisms that "relatively young" may violate, I would suggest "29-year old" in any real world article I was editing. But I would rather someone else made the change, if considered appropriate. Michael P. Barnett (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have sourced the full quote and removed "relatively" = Feynman and Schwinger were both born in 1918, was Schwinger "relatively young" too? Hugo999 (talk) 23:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

picture[edit]

Since the picture has been deleted from Commons, is anybody considering to ask NAS to donate any of the photographs? kismalac 16:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Robert G. Parr and Bryce L. Crawford. National Academy of Sciences Conference on Quantum-Mechanical Methods in Valence Theory, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 38, 547--554, 1952.

[2] J.C. Light, American Conference on Theoretical Chemistry: Introductory Remarks. Journal of Physical Chemistry, 86, 2111-12, 1982

[3] R.G. Parr, The Genesis of a Theory, International Journal of Quantum Chemistry, 37, 327--347, 1996.

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