Talk:Shenyang J-15

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J-11B Copy

The SIPRI report uses the following source as a reference:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3947599 Published on 13-Feb-2009

The article itself quotes Russia ("After years of denial") as admitting that China has developed a copy. Furthermore that China will continue to develop the J-11B as a totally indigenous aircraft.

The Janes and RAND report to Congress are both from May 2010, and therefore supercede the old SIPRI report. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ouyuecheng (talk • contribs) 10:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following Kanwa source from 2008 is also details the modifications

http://www.upiasia.com/Security/2008/02/25/china_imitates_russian_su-27sk_fighter/1740/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ouyuecheng (talk • contribs) 10:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Domestic copy, heavily modified and improved? Talk about it here[edit]

Please see the relevant discussion here Vedant (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"4.5 generation" not in source cited. Do any of the fan-boys here understand the difference between a pimp's marketing claim and an independent, peer reviewed, qualified opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.125.148 (talk) 19:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Photo please[edit]

Will somebody please ask the CIA for a copyright free pic? And if that fails then try WikiLeaks. Regards 122.148.41.172 (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Here? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15#/media/File:J-15_03.jpg 188.110.99.94 (talk) 06:08, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copy of Su-33 vs. T-10K?[edit]

It's commonly accepted that China had imported a T-10K (prototype to the Su-27K) from Ukraine to assist in the J-15's development. Technically both Su-33 and J-15 are aircraft developed from the T-10K platform, so I think it'd be incorrect to state that the J-15 is a copy of the Su-33. It might be better to say the J-15 is a copy or design based on the Su-27K prototype? China never imported the Su-33 and "copy" implies replication of the Russian production-line variant. Adeptitus (talk) 01:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

China doesn't have any Su-33, and T-10K was not a working prototype (not completely finished). I think it is safe to say J-15 is a development of Su-27 (J-11) with inputs from T-10K. Therefore, J-15 and Su-33 are more like two different variants developed from the same basic J-11/Su-27 platform. 122.224.39.142 (talk) 07:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Multirole fighter[edit]

Are these multiple roles all fighter roles? By convention, a multi-role aircraft has roles other than just different kinds of fighter role. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have you any reliable source for that? if yes, please add more information in the page.--Bolzanobozen (talk) 14:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discontinued[edit]

There have been some reports of this plane being discontinued due to sucky reliability as shown by the fact that 2 planes have crashed and another 2 may have crashed.

Also of note - Less then 30 seem to have been built, and the plane is so heavy that it can either take off with a full fuel tank and minimal weapons, or a decent weapons load and much less fuel. One option reduces combat capability and and the other its range.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.131.43 (talk)

That's quite normal for carrier-based aircraft, especially STOBAR types. It would be more problematic if it had to take off with minimal fuel and weapons. But anyhow, we can't make changes to the status in the article without citing reliable published sources. - BilCat (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A blind stinking drunk in a back alley is a more reliable source then Chinese government sources, and u are using those.

Notability of accidents[edit]

Are all of the accidents listed notable enough? Do they impact the developement/operation of this aircraft? MS1337 (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disinformation[edit]

Someone take this paragraph down "In September 2013, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the J-15 as nothing more than a "flopping fish" incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower,” an unusual move as it contradicted state-owned media reports praising the fighter. SMN reported the J-15 could operate from the carrier equipped with two YJ-83K anti-ship missiles, two short-range PL-8 air-to-air missiles, and four 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs, but a weapons load exceeding 12 tons would not get it off the ski jump, prohibiting it from carrying heavier munitions such as PL-12 medium-range air-to-air missiles, making it an unlikely match if hostile fighters are encountered when flying strike missions; furthermore, it can only carry two tons of weapons while fully fueled, limiting it to no more than two YJ-83Ks and two PL-8s."

The payload of 12 tons was never associated with J-15. J-15 is basically the same as Su-33 with the same payload of 6.5 tons. Here is my source https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/its-time-to-talk-about-j-15-chinas-first-carrierborne-fighter/. The September 2013 article from so call Beijing-based Sina Military Network is basically not reliable.Chickenhero (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]