Talk:Shllaku

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Toplana, Vasojevichi, Shllaku[edit]

The incomplete bibliography that is being used supports that Toplana (as an ancestor of Shllaku) came from Vasojevichi territory. Vasojevichi at that time drove them southwards. I've written the full story of this account in its proper context. The phrasing was such that one could go on to believe that Shllaku descended from Vasojevichi. Nobody has ever written or recorded that in any way. Toplana appears nowhere in Vasojevichi tradition. Other northern Albanian tribes like Hoti do appear (...and vice-versa) but Toplana doesn't. I hope that the bibliographical context and I've given clears this up.

There's also a sentence about a "darker complextion" that I think that could possibly be removed. The bibliographical information is from 1911, it's incomplete and comes from an era where "fields" like craniometry were used and early anthropology was appropriated by racialist/racist politics. This has no place in 2020, especially under the context of "research". If proper bibliographical annotation is used another way this could be used is an example of the racialist undertones of "research" that the young Balkan states promoted to further their geopolitical goals.--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many similar articles on Albanian tribes have problematic sources that do not meet WP:RS requirements, due to WP:AGEMATTERS etc. Go through the article's sources and see how you go. The page is on my watchlist. Best.Resnjari (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've started doing something similar in Hoti (tribe)#Origins. Bibliography... from past times can be used sometimes, but it must be contextualized in a proper way and put to the test of hard facts from archival research, modern anthropology etc. So, since it's okay with you I will remove that whole "darki complexion" thing.--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]