Talk:Shojo Beat

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
July 21, 2008	Peer review	Reviewed
October 6, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
July 16, 2009	Peer review	Reviewed
September 22, 2009	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
November 15, 2009	Featured article candidate	Promoted
Current status: Featured article

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Notability[edit]

What is the notability of this magazine? I can find very little on it (other then the magazine itself), which of course wouldn't satisfy third-party mention. Seraphimblade 02:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After looking further, does have pretty widespread distribution. Still, would highly benefit from some non-primary sources. Seraphimblade 02:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it would. It's the largest English shoujo magazine, and the second-biggest English manga magazine. Some sales figures would be nice, though. —Quasirandom (speak) 17:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

High School Debut[edit]

According to various sources, including the first tankobon volume, High School Debut started serializing in Shojo Beat in Dec 2007. I'd add it to the list, but I don't know what it replaced. Can anyone assist here? —Quasirandom (speak) 17:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't, it was just previewed, if that. I don't remember reading a preview for it either, but would need to check. Definitely not serialized though. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shojo Beat/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I read through this article and made some small fixes. Overall, it's very well-written and comprehensive. I had a few questions as I read through it, but they were answered almost immediately. I believe that the article meets the majority of the criteria for a Good Article, but I am placing it on hold because of a couple of concerns:

References 2 and 21 need publishers (which I imagine are both Shojo Beat).
I do not believe the image fits the criteria for a "low-resolution" image. According to Template:Non-free image data, low-resolution refers to images of 0.1 megapixels or less. If it is absolutely necessary to include an image this large, the rationale needs to explain why. I believe that, in this case, the image size should be reduced and a new version should be uploaded. The fair use rationale also needs to be improved, and I would like to see the template from Template:Non-free image data used.

I will place this nomination on hold to allow for these concerns to be addressed. Any questions or comments can be left here, as I have added this page to my watchlist. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've fixed those two refs (note that #2 moved to #20 after I moved it out of the infobox). I've also fixed the image. I didn't even think to check it when I started the article, and I agree that it was at way too high a res. Also fixed the FUR. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good now. Thanks for the quick reply. I will promote the article. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome and thanks for the fast review! -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Smile[edit]

I think the link to Smile (magazine) is relevant as Smile targetted the same audience, had a similar seeming mix of articles (girly lifestyle and serialised manga) and could be thought of as a predecessor to Shojo Beat. Thus I felt it was relevant as a see also. --Malkinann (talk) 02:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be a predecessor, it would need to be from the same publisher, not a different one. Animerica Extra is the predecessor of Shojo Beat and was Smile's direct competitor. If anything, the see also would be between those two not between Smile and Shojo Beat which is from a different decade, and thus had a different audience even if it was a similar age range. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily so, as Smile broke the ground for an English-language girls' manga magazine, (in that sense it is a predecessor, similar to Hana monogatari being a predescessor for Marimite) and that is why Smile is relevant as a see also to Shojo Beat. --Malkinann (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It breaking ground doesn't make it a relevant see also for ever girls' manga magazine afterwards (nor does either article have any actual reliable source providing such a connection). At best, it an appropriate see also for its actual contemporary. It bears almost no semblance to Shojo Beat and its being first doesn't make it relevant enough for linking. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps not, it was December '98, AE may have been first. this article, which may be relevant to the article as it mentions the Shojo Beat book imprint will live on, doesn't mention AE, it mentions Smile and Sailor Moon, then Shojo Beat with Fruits Basket. I think Smile is similar enough to Shojo Beat to warrant a mention in the see also. --Malkinann (talk) 02:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It mentions them, but it does not connect them. Again, I do not think it is similar enough nor relevant enough to warrant. Shojo Beat is based on Shonen Jump. No other magazine is cited as a predecessor or relevant per reliable sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requiring it to be "per reliable sources" is adding a requirement to the WP:SEEALSO guidelines - although finding a link per reliable sources is usually good (just because then you can talk about it in the article as opposed to merely the see also section), it's not needed. The mere fact that they're mentioned in the article, both as examples of girls' magazines, does link them, in that they're both girl's manga magazines, and people who are interested in Shojo Beat may be interested in Smile, as an earlier girl's manga magazine. --Malkinann (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Being mentioned in a article as examples of girls magazines is not relevant nor does it support the idea of it being a see also. By that token, ever film article would have see alsos to some 2 dozen titles just because they are mentioned in news articles as being items in the same genre. Just because both are girls magazines means nothing. They are not directly related in any fashion, and do not need to be linked by a see also. See also is not just a catch all for anything that might marginally be related, otherwise we might as well link in ever manga magazine in existence. But we don't. There are lists for that. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Imprint Manga List[edit]

Should a list of manga currently imprinted under the Shojo Beat name be included on this page? Fickce4 (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to say no, per WP:NOT, which notes that we are not a cataloging service. Such a list would quickly become excessively long and fairly redundant list to what can already be found on Viz's own website. Viz can maintain such a list far better than we can. There is no such list for any of other Viz's imprints either. -- AnmaFinotera (talk ~ contribs) 01:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking it may be useful to have some way of linking the Shojo Beat manga imprint to the individual manga pages. It would be somewhat similar to a "filmography" section, I imagine. I'm not sure that a list of imprinted manga would strictly violate WP:NOTCATALOG. That being said, a list, if included, would need a disclaimer saying 'current list as of (date)'. Fickce4 (talk) 02:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a category for those, which I suspect is easier to maintain and keep limited to the actual notable entries. :-) -- AnmaFinotera (talk ~ contribs) 02:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FA?[edit]

The last time this article was reviewed for FA was a decade ago. I think that we should do a FAR. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 21:35, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It seems that the article is not comprehensive or well-researched.--BlackShadowG^★（talk） 09:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't know enough about mangas to tell, but I am not shure about the notability of the article, especially since the magazine seems not to be printed anymore. The magazine seems to be a less important branch of Shonen Jump. It is rated as low importance by the various projects. TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 07:01, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure if this should be a featured article but being out of print and being a less impotent branch of something does not in itself mean this isn’t notable which for Wikipedia purposes is multiple instances of nontrivial coverage by reliable sources. Please see WP:N for more info.--70.24.249.16 (talk) 21:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Shojo Beat#Reception alone indicates the notability. "low-importance" is the importance a Wikiproject gives to the article, not how relevant it is for the world. Minor notability still notability. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]