Talk:Sibling Rivalry (Family Guy)/Archive 1

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As of today this episode is listed in the "Freakin' Sweet Calendar" at familyguy.com. Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh man...

"In Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal, the Blade can be upgraded by an Imp named Cespenar, which turns it into a +6 Holy Avenger."

I'm fairly sure that is way past too irrelevant too keep, but it made me laugh as much as some of the jokes in the episode so I'm not gonna be the one to delete it.--Hawkian 10:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited it out nontheless. As funny as it is, the "roleplaying" thing in that trivia is already way overboard. --80.62.39.37 00:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Blackguard

What is it with people who want to take the Blackguard reference out of this article? The way Peter changed the word "Blackguard" with "Black Guy" (probably another example of his stupidity) is one of the funniest puns I have seen and yet it seems someone is keen on not letting non-D&D players get the reference (it's the 3rd time I edit it in). What gives?

Edit:I see now why some people want to edit this out but for Pete's sake, don't edit stuff out unless you are 100% certain you know the topic!! How would it feel if I, who don't even get half the references, went and deleted everything I don't know? Likewise, don't edit this one out unless you are an avid player of D&D!!

AdventurerGR 01:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)AdventurerGR

It makes a lot more sense - and is funnier - if it's a not a D&D reference. Barryap 03:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I assume it's because the joke is that once Lois pointed out the problem with Peter's role, he drops the entire D&D character and chooses to be an African American ("black guy"). ~~ Gromreaper^(Talk)/_(Cont) 09:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it's completely wrong, that's why. It starts off with sexual role playing, then switched to adventure role playing, and once that is shot down, it switches back to sexual, with Peter most likely wanting to be a "black guy" due to the belief that black man have large penises, which would of course make sense for one to want to have in a role playing game.

Thank you guys for replying.

It's true that the "black man have large p*nis belief" makes sense if you look at it that way, and without knowing D&D it is natural to assume that there is no reference at all about D&D in it. However that's not how it is. Think about someone who doesn't know what the Lord Of The Rings is, then sees the Sauron scene in this episode and comes here and says "The joke is that it's a giant eye that can't see, it looks very funny, there's no other reference to it" and deletes the LOTR reference from the article. I'm afraid that's exactly what all those who edited the Blackguard bit out are doing and it's not very responsible editing stuff out about a subject they don't know.

Here is what the writers had in mind while compiling this joke (for anyone who wants to know). In D&D, the players who want to always do what's good&righteous are the Paladins, and as such they are forbidden to use Evil stuff, like dark magic and this scene's Helm of Disintegration. That's what Lois points out to Peter [PROOF:She looks happy and is smiling until the exact moment that Peter mentions this Helm]. Now, in D&D just like the Paladins are good, there are people who live only to make Evil deeds, the ultimate embodiment of Evil, the Blackguards. EVERY D&D player worth his salt knows this and his/her mind instictively switches to the word "Blackguard" so when Peter starts saying the word "Black", every D&D player knows he's going to say "Blackguard", it doesn't just make sense, it's what comes naturally (actually, this makes more sense than that time I... *ehem*). So when he ends the word and we hear "Black Guy" instead of "Blackguard", which sound just the same until the final letter, it makes the ultimate D&D pun. In fact, didn't you notice how Peter prolongues the "u" in "guy" before saying the final letter? Why is that? Simply to make you believe he will say "Blackguard" even more just before throwing the bomb that is the final letter.

That paragraph came out long but it was necessary so that everyone can get the obvious reference even without knowing the basics. Now I'm not saying the "black man" theory is wrong, maybe I am wrong and Peter wanted to say exactly that. But one thing is for sure : the writers intended for the viewer to think "Blackguard" before the switch. So this reference must be there for the sake of Wikipedia's all-there-is-to-it policy. If some of you are still skeptic on that, show this scene to any friend of yours who knows good D&D and you will hear it for yourselves. And sorry for the rant.

AdventurerGR 19:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)AdventurerGR

Except the Lord of the Rings movies made almost $3 billion worldwide, won multiple Academy Awards, and was seen by a crapload of people, so people will get that reference. A small minority of people have played games such as D&D. Most people understand the general idea behind the game, so they get Peter's first reference, but hardly anyone is going to get the reference to a certain character, and there is no way they are going to have a joke for such a small and inconsequential group of people.

Bewildered_Ronin 8:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That is a very lame excuse. Not many people know who Gary Gygax is, yet his name (an extremely obscure D&D reference) was used as a prominent joke in Futurama. Saying that the "blackguard/black guy" punchline isn't valid due to (your percieved) obscurity is asinine. Your belief that this reference of obscurity causes confusion and, ergo, "no one will get it" only serves to facilitate that people will continue to "not get it". In other words, individuals not understanding the reference will continue to not fully understand it due to your deliberate censoring based on assumptions for which you have provided no basis of fact. Self-fulfilling prophecy, for short.

"...there is no way they are going to have a joke for such a small and inconsequential group of people"

There have been numerous D&D references (some very obscure) in many pop-culture television shows. The above statement shows an obvious bias and complete diregard to the fact that Family Guy often makes obscure joke references that many do not fully "get". Such references include particular scenes or lines from 70's and 80's television shows. You argument is weak and holds no basis in actual logic within regards to the joke mechanisms used in Family Guy. Many of their jokes are obscure and it is that obscurity that many find their jokes so endearing. (see Dennis Miller (specifically Comedic Style) for another example of such humor)

That's fine if you think it's "more funny" your way, but that does nothing to fulfill Wikipedia's aforementioned "all-there-is-to-it" policy and such deliberate censoring based on such assumptions seeks to deliberatly undermine that policy.

My assumption was that the word was made a bit ambiguous on purpose. That way, people who knew what a Blackguard was would get the joke, and people who didn't would assume that he said "black guy." However, as I have no proof of this at all, I wouldn't add it to the article until we could hear from somebody who worked on the episode. Linkskywalker 01:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I just watched the episode with the subtitles on and the subtitles say 'black guy'. Renquist 00:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Retarded animal babies

Is it worth mentioning that what Peter says in the role playinng scene is simmilar to the Retarded animal babies episode where cat's dad says he has a half elf palidan and is told by cat's sister that half elves can't be palidans? -Dr.-B 09:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Not really.

The word is "Paladin" and the answer is : Absolutely not. That episode just mentioned a fact about Paladins ; it's not like every quote that includes the word "Paladin" is similar to another that does.

AdventurerGR 18:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)AdventurerGR

Correct. Only AdventurerGR's ridiculously obscure interpretations are allowed, no one else's. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.169.182.141 (talk) 20:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

That's unfair. There's a difference between some seriously ambiguous pronunciation, and assuming a joke is associated with every other joke that resembles it. Linkskywalker 01:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Stuff from the commentary

• Alec Sulkin and Alex Borstein wrote the song after Lois' pregnancy test comes back negative, and the singers are the same ones that did the A.I.D.S. song.(Povenmire) - they are professional Hollywood studio singers (MacFarlane)
• Orchestartions in this song were performed by Walter Murphy and described as "Wonderful" by MacFarlane. (MacFarlane)
• The race to Boston which Peter challenges Lois too was cut on the television version for time. (Povenmire), (MacFarlane), (Goodman)
• Dan Povenmire states he always gets in trouble for putting pieces of music in that last for a short length of time but cost so much (Povenmire), as music is expensive to buy for the show. (MacFarlane)
• The Ice Age reference was in collaboration with Family Guy and the producers of Ice Age, as they agreed to do a "crossover bit." (Ice Age 2) (MacFarlane)
• As Peter enters the sperm bank, there was a line cut where Peter says "I'm here to banish some a White Russian from my Kremlin", and the doctor replies with "This is a sperm bank, you don't have to use uphonisms", then Peter says "Where do I splooge". (Povenmire), (Goodman)
• There was dicussion among the writers about the Bertrom storyline prior to it broadcasting, as viewers hadn't seen him for so long, but they decided to continue with the storyline. (Goodman)
• The people on the TV programme which Peter is watching were voiced by Alec Sulkin and John Veiner. (Goodman)
• Stewie quoting Did ya get me my Cheez Whiz, boy in the plaground is a reference to Blues Brothers. (MacFarlane)
• Stewie and trying to find Waldo is a reference to Where's Wally?. (Povenmire)
• There was a never-used gag for the Where's Waldo reference that saw Stewie saying "Oh, turn to the next page - I bet they put him in someones utility pocket, but it was cut because it wasn't that funny. (MacFarlane)
• Wallace Shawn is the voice actor of Bertram. (Goodman)
• There were several different models for Lois' weigt. (Povenmire)
• Censorship had a problem with Peter sining Milkshake (song) while naked, and he was not allowed to push his breasts from underneath, so the show put underpants on him and showed him pushing them from the side. (MacFarlane), (Povenmire)
• When Peter says he is going to warn the chef that [Lois] has arrived, Lois was originally meant to say "If he won't put something in me, I will." (Povenmire)
• The drifter in Stewie's flashback to Peter leaving a baseball with an unsafe man - Povenmire originally based it off John Wayne Gacy, but Povenmire claims people said he didn't look scary enough, so they made the character in to a scary homeless man instead. (Povenmire)
• The scene of Bertram and Stewie going down the slide in the middle of their fight and laughing was pitched by Povenmire's wife, and, although negative at first, Povenmire included it after the original animatic sketch didn't work out. (Povenmire)
• There was originally meant to be about twice as many "almost done" lines when Lois and Peter are having what they call "fat sex", but it was reduced. (MacFarlane)

Qst (talk) 11:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Sibling Rivalry (Family Guy)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Two big trivia sections, much of which could obviously be rewritten as prose (added to tasks). Would help if someone could add the {{cite video}} template details for the explanation of why certain scenes were deleted. / edg ☺ ★ 00:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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