Talk:Sigma Pi, Mu Chapter

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I've cleaned up the infobox and body text somewhat, to meet Project standards. However, very few local chapters of national fraternities have their own articles. The exceptions being where a building is on the national historic register, or where the chapter is notable for some crisis. The photos here may not be correctly licensed/released either -- I have not yet checked.

I suppose that eventually all active chapters of all fraternities and sororities will be allowed articles, but the current temperature among Wikipedians has a bias against this, where the remaining Deletionists tend to remove them because of a perceived lack of notability. Hence, this may be a test case. References are crucial to acceptance of the article. Jax MN (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The combination of notable alumni and lengthy history of the chapter were what led me to create the page. Hopefully the test case goes well. Sheckmojr (talk) 20:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if you'd count me as a deletionist here (someone should go back and count my entries on for me. and I bet I have far more articles created than proposed for deletion), but I do have significant concerns.

) Other than external references about membership (see below for my comments on those), the references about the group are either from the school newspaper, are about a fire that seems to have been more notable for Insurance results and one reference from the New York Times which is used as a reference for a fact that Sigma Pi, Mu chapter shares with hundreds of other fraternity chapters in this country.
) In regards to the external references on notable members, while I can't get to them all, but that's not an issue.

Weiss, neither Wikidata nor Wikipedia can be used as a reference.
Zimmer - that one is fine.
Sorkin - imdb can not be used as a reference
Gerson - Sigma Pi is not mentioned in the Obit

So only one is appropriately referenced.

IMO, only a general change in not just what is appropriate for articles within the Fraternity/Sorority sphere of articles *and* a more general change to what is necessary to show notability for an article would make this single chapter appropriate for a Wikipedia article.Naraht (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]