Talk:Silver Age of Comic Books/Archive 1

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Publication Dates for Key Issues of the Silver age

As a reader of this content I was left feeling curiousity regarding publication dates for Key Issues of the Silver age. It would be nice if publication dates could be included in the table. I have none of that knowledge so can't contribute on this article but thought I'd mention it for someone who does. MikeSchinkel 06:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Dating the silver age

The Golden Age of Comic Books page says that the golden age was a period of time between 1938 until the early fifties. This article states that the Golden Age occured after the Silver age(which occured in the 50's to 70's). Which is correct?

Uhmmm, the article states "It followed the Golden Age of Comic Books.", not "It was followed by...", ergo, both articles state that the Golden Age came before the Silver Age, which is the correct statement in Comic Book jargon. 惑乱 分からん 16:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

On covers

Just a tiny detail: The text states DC covers of the Silver Age are notable for the abundance of speech balloons. Marvel, after its first year or so, generally opted for an action scene or a dramatic tableau, frequently with such symbolic elements as floating heads watching and reacting, and only returned to speech balloons occasionally toward the end of the era, while two of the three presented covers show speech balloons, one being a DC product, the other a very early Marvel product. Which is... you know... contradicting. Tierlieb 12:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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refs for the future

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/107577856868634.htm - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed all the uncited possible endpoints to the SA, here they are

• Jack Kirby's departure from Marvel Comics to produce Fourth World titles at DC Comics (1970).
• The retirement of Mort Weisinger, long-time editor of the Superman family of comics for DC (1970). The Superman titles were then divided among several editors, including Julius Schwartz, Murray Boltinoff, E. Nelson Bridwell, Mike Sekowsky and, briefly, Jack Kirby.
• The change of rules to the Comics Code Authority which allowed for more controversial topics to be discussed (1971). This led to a wave of horror comics such as Ghost Rider and Tomb of Dracula.
• When Stan Lee stopped writing for Marvel Comics, at the same time stepping down as Editor-In-Chief (1972).
• The advent of darker superhero stories in the early 1970s. During this time, Batman returned to his roots as a dubious vigilante, and Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams started the gritty, urban-themed series Green Lantern/Green Arrow.
• The death of Gwen Stacy, the girlfriend of Peter Parker (Spider-Man) in The Amazing Spider-Man #121 ("The Night Gwen Stacy Died") (1973).
• The debut of the "All-New All-Different" X-Men in Giant-Size X-Men #1 (1975), restarting a franchise that would dominate subsequent decades.
• Adventure Comics #452 (1977), starring Aquaman, where the villain Black Manta kidnaps and murders Aquaman's infant son. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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Seems good to go - the only thing that might work is an infobox but there aren't any suitable ones (it'd make sense to have some kind of era infobox with time span, next/prev). (Emperor (talk) 03:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC))

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This image is being cited since it's the first one to come up due to image maintenance, but it serves as a good place to start. 9 images seem a bit much for this article, especially when 3, this one included, are used as a decorative gallery for a list.

Just a though but the following could go:

• Iron Man — Does not support the section it's in.
• Strange Tales — Decoration only.
• Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. — Same

And this image should be moved away from the list.

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The issue with Ff1kirby.jpg has been addressed.

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- J Greb (talk) 23:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I've trimmed the images, Image:Showcase4.JPG is obviously justified and needed. I think Image:Nick Fury7.jpg is the second most appropriate one so I kept it. It meshes well with the associated/referenced text. I'll probably add some image in the middle of the article when I find a reference that specifically discusses the cover. I think three would be about right. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd advocate for including either or both Fantastic Four #1 / Amazing Fantasy #15, two of the top-three most collectible Silver Age titles (per the article's chart) and key issues that continued the trend begun by DC. It's hard to imagine even a basic understanding of the Silver Age without an example of the work of Jack Kirby, who art largely defined the look of the age.

As much as I love that Nick Fury cover, it does seem more decorative than historically notable. I'd also note that while that cover certainly owes a large debt to Dali, I'd be hard put to say Steranko himself did; that influence was just one of many, and in general pop art informs his work much more than surrealism.

In terms of art style, an argument could be made for the Iron Man cover since floating heads was a very frequent cover motif, as I believe the caption noted.

In any event, a Kirby example is justifiably needed, and an example of a non-Marvel/DC comic, to simultaneously illustrate the breadth and stylistic conventions that cut across many companies, could be the third. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really disagree with any of that. I'm just trying to apply a high standard to the images included. I agree that FF1 or Amazing Fantasy 15 are probably the next most important covers after Showcase 4, but I'm trying to include covers that I've found sources specifically discussing. Not ones that are just in the list. I'm sure those two covers are discussed somewhere, but I haven't found it yet. Feel free to add or remove any images you like. I just wanted to deal with this talk page thread. I may make changes later based on sources I can find. I found a good number of sources that discuss Steranko and Neal Adams, so I'd like to illustrate one of them. The Steranko source doesn't say that particular issue is related to Dali, I just thought it was the closest of the images so far. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The article discusses the Fantastic Four as the comics that "led to the era's rise of Marvel," so based on our general agreement I'm going to go ahead and put FF #1 back. It's a landmark first issue, historically important, etc.

The importance and popularity of Spider-Man aren't really discussed yet so far, so, yeah, I guess we can hold off on AF #15 till the article discusses the character's revolutionary nature. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll try and find some refs that specifically discuss the covers. = Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Refs for future use

Captain Comet first SA superhero and good quote about Julius Swchartz and batman tv show. Teeny, but might just work Batman TV vs. SA comics - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Flawed ref

[1] - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What's the flaw? (Emperor (talk) 15:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC))

It's about how the SA Marvel characters are flawed vs. the DC characters who are perfect. It's already been added as (current) ref #4. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 18:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)