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Reviewer: CorporateM (talk · contribs) 13:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


This is one of the last remaining business and economics nominations not nominated by myself, so I'll take it on. I've started the review below. Mostly two things caught my eye; there are a lot of areas that need context or more explanation that seems to presume the reader already knows a lot about currency and there are some areas where a large body of text goes without a citation. CorporateM (Talk) 13:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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A few notes:

Citations 34 only has a title and link. 33 needs a publisher/author of some kind. Is citation 2 suppose to have those brackets or is that a coding error? CorporateM (Talk) 16:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Partly done, clarification needed Fixed problem with citation 2. Removed citation 34 as the information is found in other sources. For citation 33, I thought the Monetary Authority of Singapore would be the publisher? --Hildanknight (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I noticed the current article relies very heavily on primary sources from government authorities. These are probably the most reliable for mundane information about the currency, but secondary sources may include more complex news and analysis on it. CorporateM (Talk) 16:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Lead[edit]

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Background[edit]

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  • "designed by local artist Eng Siak Loy" Does the source tell us who Eng Siak Loy is? Also suggest a separate sentence for this.
    Clarification needed Why is "local artist" an inadequate description of him? He does not have a Wikipedia article. In this context, "local" obviously means "Singaporean" as no other countries are mentioned. --Hildanknight (talk)
Oops, you're right. Not sure why I glazed over "local artist" CorporateM (Talk) 12:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should this section be called "History"?
    Done Good idea. --Hildanknight (talk) 14:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the second half all contained in that one citation? If so, it might be best to use the cite a few times, so it doesn't look like OR.
Done For the first two sentences in that paragraph, I reused a citation (adding an archive link since the original link had gone dead) from another paragraph. That paragraph was too long, so I removed some information found in other sections and copyedited the sentences. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Security features[edit]

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No offence, but could you suggest a better wording? I assume that, unlike most Singaporeans, you are a native speaker of English. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at this again, is what was meant the physical "corner" of the bill? or was it referring to being a basic foundational aspect of the bill's security features? CorporateM (Talk) 16:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification These two security features are the most important visual features of the note. --Hildanknight (talk) 14:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Got it - it could probably be removed, as it already says "two prominent". I can't verify what the source says, but it could also say "two most prominent" CorporateM (Talk) 02:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done Changed "two prominent" to "the two most prominent" and removed "form the cornerstone of the banknote". --Hildanknight (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even though it's Wiki-linked, I think we should also explain a Kinegram (briefly) here
Could you suggest a good brief explanation? --Hildanknight (talk) 14:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"a printed security hologram" CorporateM (Talk) 02:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Hildanknight (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest something like "According to MAS, the portrait contains fine lines that are difficult for counterfeiters to mimic." CorporateM (Talk) 02:39, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done Added "which contains fine lines that are difficult for counterfeiters to mimic" in brackets.
  • If possible, the second paragraph could really be more specific. What is meant by lithographic print or a windowed security thread? WHat is LiftTwin?
    Clarification Lithographic print means printing using the process of lithography. According to the 2011 edition of Know Your Money, "The smooth, rainbowed and anti-photographic background makes camera counterfeiting difficult and photographic separation virtually impossible." A security thread is a thin ribbon threaded through the note's paper. According to the above link, "The windowed machine-readable thread is interwoven in the paper running vertically down the back of the note. When held up to the light, the thread appears as a bold continuous line..." --Hildanknight (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get brief explanations in the article and make sure they are wikilinked if not already? CorporateM (Talk) 21:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done Added brief explanations (in brackets) for the above two security features. I removed mention of LiftTwin because I cannot find the original source and cannot find any information about LiftTwin online. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Banknotes in general circulation[edit]

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  • My suggestion would be to have a summary for this section before going into the sub-sections, that explains the relevance of Encik and includes the signatories, who are currently repeated in every sub-section.
    Clarification Yusof Ishak was the first president of Singapore and the series commemorates his contributions to the country. Each denomination focuses on a different aspect of his life and contributions. There are some minor differences in the signatories for each denomination, so I suggest moving that information to the table. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Clarification requested Would the second paragraph of the History section be a good introductory paragraph here? --Hildanknight (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Done I reshuffled some information. Please check --Hildanknight (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is "the money cowrie"?
Clarification The cowrie is a sea snail and its shell was often used as currency. For more information, see cowry and shell money. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide a wiki-link and brief explanation in the article? CorporateM (Talk) 16:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Hildanknight (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is "pieces" the right word?
Could you suggest a better word? --Hildanknight (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Coins or bills depending on if its paper or metal. CorporateM (Talk) 21:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Hildanknight (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commemorative[edit]

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My quick take might be something like: "an agreement between Singapore and Brunei allowing their citizens to use currency from either nation interchangeably" CorporateM (Talk) 02:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done Since the two countries are mentioned earlier in the sentence, I tried "an agreement allowing citizens of both countries to use currency from either nation interchangeably" instead. Does "interchangeably" imply that both currencies have the same exchange rate? --Hildanknight (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Specifications[edit]

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Personally I like the table once the images and Status columns are taken out (they all have the same status). It could be done a few different ways, but the way it's done is good. CorporateM (Talk) 02:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Partly done I removed the columns for the images, but not the Status column, because I think it could be used for the signatories (which vary slightly for each denomination). --Hildanknight (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Successfully replaced the Status column with detailed information about the signatories. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prefixes[edit]

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I'm not sure I understand this section.

Clarification The section is about the serial numbers on the notes. --Hildanknight (talk) 09:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure whether this section is needed. It looks like there are no citations in this section? And I'm not sure the serial numbers are really of encyclopedic/historical significance. CorporateM (Talk) 16:20, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done I agree with you and have deleted the section. --Hildanknight (talk) 14:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@CorporateM: Thanks for your review. Please inform Mailer diablo, the primary contributor to the article, of this review. --Hildanknight (talk) 09:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@CorporateM: A few more concerns addressed and a few more clarifications. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@CorporateM: We are getting there! We will get there! --Hildanknight (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@CorporateM: Apologies for the delay, which was due to major deadlines at work and Singapore celebrating Deepavali. Perhaps a minor reorganisation is needed, but we are getting there and will get there! --Hildanknight (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it's almost done; the remaining items are extremely minor and could reasonably be disagreed on by different editors. The only major item remaining I think is how heavily the article relies on primary sources and I wonder if there has been any analysis by independent sources about the reception to the currency, how long they last, their inflation rate, their development process, or something else. CorporateM (Talk) 21:50, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@CorporateM: I believe all concerns have been addressed. --Hildanknight (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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