Talk:Sjaak Brinkkemper

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External link to homepage

I don't understand why the external link to the homepage keeps beeing removed

Personal web pages at Utrecht University.

I am not aware of any policy not to add this to a biographical article.

-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 08:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No improvement

I think this article is not improving with all the changes Crusio is making here. This is build in a standard which is implemented in over 1000 biographical articles in the field of systems science. At the moment it just feels like a harrasment of the standard I have been implementing in over 2500 wikipedia articles I have wikified, and on the Dutch Wikipedia.

I guess there should be a very good reason to start forcing your own wikipedia standard here. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 08:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry you feel like this. I have replaced website, article, and book references with the templates that WP uses for this (using this handy tool). They have advantages, such as making it easy for third parties to retrieve information and making formatting consistent in WP. (I cite: "Citations can be accompanied by metadata, although it is not mandatory to do so. Most citation templates on Wikipedia use the COinS microformat. Metadata such as this allow browser plugins and other automated software to make citation data accessible to the user, for instance by providing links to their library's online copies of the cited works.") In addition, I corrected some English grammar and spelling. I removed one reference to an unpublished article, it can be added again if and when the article is accepted. Apart from that, I have taken care not to change any content. The "external link" is superfluous, as it is already used as a reference. I am surprised that even corrections of incorrect names ("Raylte") are being reverted wholesale. No harassment is intended and, given that almost all changes are formatting changes, I don't see how this would be interpreted like that. I am unaware of any standard for this kind of articles (other than MOS), please provide a link to the relevant policy. Barring that, I would appreciate if you would undo your reversion. --Crusio (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I restored most of your improvements. However:

External link to homepage is (my) standard in articles about living people, if they have one. Readers don't expect to find them in the reference section.
The "see also" section is standard before the reference section.
Implemention those citation templates are fine with me, but if you do I should implement it all the way. I don't think there should be two standards in one publication listing.

These (my) standards are implemented in most of the 2000 articles within the scope of Systems science, and these standards are based on the standards used in the Wikiproject Mathematics.

Good luck. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I believe the right term for that "harrassment" here is Wikihounding (WP:WIKIHOUND).