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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 03:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up, as part of the GA Cup I am going to start to review this article now. I will provide running updates and then indicate when I have been through the entire article.  MPJ-US  03:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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Checking the sources I do not know the reliable source status of the follow websites:

  • harrachov.cz Green tickY
    • Official site of the ski resort and venue in question. The person being interviewed (Pavel Ploc) had a famous crash at the venue, but this is the only source (beside YouTube footage) I could find to verify the year when it occurred. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am okay with that source
  • skisprungschanzen.com Green tickY
    • Longtime repository of ski jumping/flying hill information with lots of stats and figures. The site has been around since at least 2005, and does not rely on user-submitted material. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not being into ski flying I cannot judge it, but the fact that it's not user-submitted is a plus. Would this possible fall under "industry expert"?
        • I would regard it as such, yes. The stats and figures on venues are very in-depth (something which the FIS on their site have never been too good at providing), and the staff at the site regularly report on things like constructional updates to hills, visits to events, and garner knowledge from the FIS and hill designers themselves. From what I've seen, all the things they've reported over the years has turned out to be true. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • skokyparda.wz.cz Green tickY
    • Likely not much more than a very old fansite, but I used it only for the directly-linked image to highlight a visual description. Can remove if need be, but it's an excellent depiction of the ski placement technique question. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • So the specific source is picture only and a fairly uncontroversial subject so I am okay with that.
  • za-progiem.pl Green tickY
    • Polish ski jumping news site—one of many. I used it for the line about Vikersund welcoming competition with Planica. The person being interviewed (Havard Orsteen) does exist, and I highly doubt they would fake a bunch of quotes. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am okay with this
  • InfostradaLive
  • skispringen.com
    • German ski jumping news site which has been around since at least 2008, and continues to be updated today. The person being interviewed within the ref is the second-highest ranking member of the FIS event organisation team; the ref confirms who he is, and corroborates a statement about wind measurement terminology (namely, "corridor of tolerance"). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am taking all news sites as reliable without question, these above links though do not seem to be straight up news sources

The following sources come up as a change to the sub domain - to prevent link rot would recommend updating them to the current urls

  • 39
  • 46
  • 48
  • 49
  • 78
  • 79
  • 86
  • 122
  • 131
  • 135
  • 137

The following sources come up as dead and must be updated

  • 61
  • 115
  • 77
  • 53
  • 18
  • 81
  • 132
    • Most links now replaced with archived versions and updated retrieval dates. #18 and #86 were already archived. #81 has been zapped completely, which is a shame, as it showed clearly the height in question. It was one of those YouTube thumbnail shots that you randomly get from Google Images. I don't suppose, at a stretch, something like Imgur could be used to host the image? #132 has now been replaced with a different, slightly more detailed source. #46, #48, #78 and #79 remain the same PDF-linked URLs on my end. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I will check over the fixed sources. Not sure about the picture question.
      • Green tickY on the source fixes.
        • The remaining ref which was dead (an image to support to figure stated) is now here. As it is from video footage that can be widely found on YouTube, I can provide details on who and where the subject of the image is. To me it's an invaluable snapshot to illustrate how high the athletes can still get, when wind conditions are perfect. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 01:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of Style

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  • honour (B) (American: honor)
  • meter (A) (British: metre) / metre (B) (American: meter)
  • organise (B) (American: organize)
  • realize (A) (British: realise)
  • categorise (B) (American: categorize), isation (B) (American: ization)
  • equalling (B) (American: equaling)
  • curb (A) (British: kerb).
  • Weasel phrase " It has been described", can you reword that?
    • I could reword it to "Dashiell Bennett at Business Insider has called it an extreme sport", but then that would require expansion for the other descriptions, which would seem to break up the brevity of the sentence (one of them doesn't have a specific author). Is it absolutely necessary for it to be changed? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • As phrases go, this is pretty harmless and sourced. Green tickY

Overall

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This article is HUGE, it will take me a while to go through it all and am wondering if the length is a detriment, if I look at at Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, it would recommend a Summary style.

So have patience, it will take me a while to get through this but i figured I would start with the above to give you something to start on.

  • From day one I had a feeling the article length might be an issue, but I've resisted the temptation to break it off into separate sub-articles. I know I've seen articles just as long—if not longer—with massive History sections. I also wouldn't like to see the Rules and other such sections broken off—least of all shunted to the ski jumping article, which I've barely touched. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would not be a deal breaker, looking at this the obvious part to break out if you choose to would be "History of Ski flying" and have this article summarize it.
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I checked on the tool that's on this page and found a couple of sources that had a high enough percentage that I had to take a closer look at them. Going through them the issues they picked up on were directly quoted in the article with attributions so that's not a problem as far as I can tell. Green tickY

Images

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Looking through the images I believe all licenses etc. are in order. the one fair use claim is truly low res and I think that is acceptable. Green tickY

General Comments

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More as I go through it. I will go back and check over your feedback too, checking off what's ben addressed. MPJ-US  21:47, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked off almost everything except if "skispringen.com" as a reliable source?

Other than that I am going to do one more read through but it's getting very close. MPJ-US  06:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am.satisfied this is indeed a Good Article. Great work. I will start to process the GA status update now. MPJ-US  13:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]