Talk:Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure

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Is it just me or does this article seem like it was written by someone trying to sell the game? At the very least it is lacking neutral language. The whole summary section is loaded with back-of-the-box adjective use. 66.188.220.9 (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I just think this game would be very expensive, since you have to buy, oh I don't know 29 action figures with this game I guess? Just seems like a waste. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.170.23 (talk) 04:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Reception

Why isn't there a reference about the professional reviewers praising the game, all the articles is about what is the doing, and why it's so different? Everything else about the Fans to the original/legend fans is true and also of the analyst is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.75.78.223 (talk) 03:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Because everyone hates it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.235.17 (talk) 02:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Now as of September 4, It doesn't even have a reception, I think it's pretty clear, someone's trying to defend it, can someone please fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.75.78.223 (talk) 12:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Given Skylanders has 130,000 likes on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/SkylandersGame?sk=info and a couple of hundred people moaning about the lack of additional character availability (and the sold out status of the toys), I think there's pretty solid evidence that "Because everyone hates it" is a ludicrous statement. JL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.172.116.131 (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Mac

It is also available on Mac, using the same DvD that comes with the Windows Edition, why was this not stated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.195.2 (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

the article should explain the technology involved

some people might want to know that kind of things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 10:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

True. I do. --Pschannes (talk) 08:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC) according to what i have heard it seems that each figurine have something that stores character data.

That's confirmed Pschannes. The figures have a device of some sort or another that stores the character's level/abilities, and thier hat (seriously). -Anonymous on 5 November, 2011

i heard that tooo, i think it is some sort of memory card/storage unit, similar to a usb drive.- rolling thunder — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.24.10 (talk) 22:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

• Most of the articles about them on the internet suggest RFID is used which could store a small amount of data on the chip. Activision seem to be trying to keep technical details off the internet which is a shame as I for one would invest in the kit for PC if there was hobbyist potential (with custom data, the resin figures could be used as encryption keys for example). 194.66.175.89 (talk) 11:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Sounds interesting, but you'd need a reliable source to verify it, in order to include it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I have just added some details on the RFID - you're never going to get much as Activision has already threatened to sue the first guy to unpick it (url supplied in edit) - but it's definitely confirmed as RFID and NFC. JL 1330 23 Jan 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbrasiveTeapot (talk • contribs) 02:30, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

The info seems fine on a wikipedia level, as long as it's factually correct. (I personally don't know.) Some things, like RFID, should probably be defined though, as the average reader probably won't understand what that stands for... Sergecross73 msg me 03:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Link to Wikipedia RFID tag as a reference added (should I have used an inline link ?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbrasiveTeapot (talk • contribs) 05:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

In the future when a reader might not know what something like RFID is, just put brackets around it to make it a wikilink. I moved the paragraph on RFID to the development section because it's about technology more than gameplay. Some guy (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

"Death threats"

Someone is continually reinserting a paragraph claiming the developers received "death threats" - the source used for this claim is not reputable; the article is very poorly written, the website it is hosted on is not notable, and there is no reason to believe they have used fact-checking standards to verify said claim. Do not reinsert the paragraph. Some guy (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

But that would affect the neutrality of the article. There is quite a big majority of existing Spyro fans who hate Skylanders, so there needs to be some sort of indication that it has happened. EpicWikipedian (talk) 12:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no valid reliable source that indicates that actually happened. The author probably made it up for the article, and there is nothing else about it on the internet besides people quoting the article. Some guy (talk) 10:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Concern about neutrality

The problem is with this article is that it only contains the positive reviews, not reviews from the existing Spyro fans or anyone else that hates Skylanders which affects its neutrality. And there is a significant number of people that hate Skylanders, from sites like YouTube and GameSpot, even if they are not professional reviewers. Can this be fixed please? EpicWikipedian (talk) 12:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

That's not how Wikipedia works. You need reliable sources, not "a significant number of users on YouTube and GameSpot". If you can get a reviewer who says he liked the previous Spyro franchise and doesn't like Skylanders for changing the series, or a reviewer commenting on negative fan reaction to the game (it needs to be a review from a reputable source, i.e. not the "death threats" one), you can cite that. However, as it seems, you are putting up an NPOV tag because the article doesn't satisfy your point of view. Some guy (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

They may not have anything to back it up, but they are still stating something that should be of concern. A game can be "praised" by critics and yet still panned by fans, which this definitely has been for pretty much all fans of the Spyro character. There's been no attempt to even locate anything to represent that side of the situation. Someone who knows what a "good/valid source" is should be able to do that. You certainly haven't gone out of your way to do so. The real problem probably stems from the fact that Wikipedia refuses to allow anything but their "strict" reputable sources, and most of the criticism appears on forums, rival wikis/wikias, and YouTube videos. To say it doesn't exist is ridiculous. --68.6.182.39 (talk) 07:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia strives to be an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and thus requires stringent sources for the information contained in the article. There are a myriad of problems with your objectives and the sources you wish to support them. First, forums and user reviews are not regulated. A single user can create a dozen accounts to spam bad user reviews or negative forum posts. Gamers periodically orchestrate organized low-score-spam attacks, with dozens or hundreds of volunteers giving low scores as revenge for some perceived slight by the publisher (see for example the reviews for Assault on Dark Athena for PC on Metacritic and then on Amazon). Forum posts do not necessarily provide due weight to opinions on a game; offended gamers often tend to make disproportionate amounts of noise, and there is no guarantee that any given thread you cite is indicative of a pervasive pattern. For example, you might cite a thread with a dozen people complaining, while failing to cite a thousand threads of people who are more than satisfied with the game.

Forums are not usable as sources. User reviews are not usable as sources. If you feel this is a problem with Wikipedia, go elsewhere. If you are too lazy to look for legitimate reviews that address your concerns, don't complain that nobody else is doing it; your accusations are baseless anyway, I spent more than my fair share of time trying to find a legitimate source for some of the criticisms players were continuously adding to the page, to no avail. Some guy (talk) 23:45, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

this article needs a character page

there is information on the skylanders website about at least the skylanders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 17:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Then the Skylanders website sounds like a good place to go if you want that information. Some guy (talk) 01:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

other articles have character information so why not this as well.

No one is saying you can't, it's just that no one has bothered to add anything like that yet... Sergecross73 msg me 20:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

There are 37 different characters. It sounds gamecrufty to me, but on the other hand, we have stuff like List of Clannad characters (although that may be a bad example considering the 4-year-old maintenance tags). Some guy (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It definitely depends on what exactly would be done. (It's hard to understand what exactly is being proposed, with the confusing statement of "this article needs a characters page)

• If it was meant "Let's make a new article dedicated to characters", then no, that's a bad idea. There's no way there's enough coverage in third party reliable sources to establish notability.
• If it was meant "Let's make a characters section within this article and just list all the characters in one long big list", then that would violate WP:GAMECRUFT.
• If it was meant "Let's make a characters section in this article, writing about important characters in paragraph form, with sources", then yes, something like that seems just fine, as long as it doesn't get too lengthy. Sergecross73 msg me 21:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

• Maybe a table with the characters names and the stats from the cards which accompany each character? Also the poster which came with the starter set (in the UK) shows 32 figures. Are the other 5 the legendary versions? I've also been informed by retailers that some of these are only available from certain stores. This sort of information needs adding if true. 194.66.175.89 (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• No, a character list/chart would violate WP:GAMECRUFT. Character/stat lists have little to no meaning outside of anyone who's played the game, while wikipedia articles are supposed to be understandable for general audiences/readers who don't know much about it otherwise. However, the article probably could use more information about the Toy aspect in general, I agree with you on that part... Sergecross73 msg me 13:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• I've never contributed to wikipedia, just occasional use, so please excuse the noob comments, but I can't see how listing the characters violates the WP:GAMECRUFT rules - the game is unique in that the toys allow & determine activities within the game and the choice of toy impacts game play. Because it utilises the D&D style of "character classes" it is important information to gameplayers to understand what "elemental class" each toy belongs to. I actually came to this article in the first place to get the character list against elementals because it's difficult to determine form the activision website. JL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.155.82 (talk) 23:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

• You're fine, and I appreciate that you are far more understanding than most who aren't familiar with these guidelines. In short, I agree with the fact they could/should be mentioned, it's just that every detail doesn't need to be laid out. It would be a good idea to describe what an elemental class is, and why it's important. It'd be bad to list every single character and their element out. That last part is the part that violates gamecruft. Sergecross73 msg me 00:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
• The type of information you are talking about is better left to fan wikis. You might want to check out the Spyro wiki on Wikia, I just gave it a glance and it seems to have comprehensive information on each character. In general, Wikipedia is the right place for an encyclopedic overview of a game accessible to the general public, and the relevant wiki on Wikia is the right place to go for gameplay specifics for people who are active players. Some guy (talk) 05:58, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Sequel

Actvision released a trailer of a sequel to Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure, Skylanders: Giants. Look it up on Google. Rodimus Rhyme (talk) 11:38, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Fan criticism/ Forums are not sources

Forums are not sources. You cannot write material saying "a lot of fans really hated it because it wasn't like the old games" and list some forum or news article comments as a "source". You need an article from a reputable source that mentions/comments on the negative fan reaction. Some guy (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

This is absolutely correct. Forums are not reliable sources, they violate WP:SPS. There's even a list of largely acceptable video game sources at WP:VG/S, if anyone is interested in contributing using reputable sources. Random messageboard comments, Youtube personalities, or your personal thoughts, do not belong in the article. Sergecross73 msg me 12:48, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Hamagami/Carrol Inc/Marketing

Hamagami/Carroll, Inc. created the marketing brand identity, packaging system design, character illustrations, marketing collateral, and sales materials.

This keeps on getting re-added to the intro/lead, without a source. Per WP:BURDEN, it shouldn't be re-added unless there's a source provided by the person who's adding it. If false, obviously it doesn't belong. If true, it should probably be moved to the "Development" section, as new ideas aren't supposed to be introduced in the lead, and in general, video game's opening sentences rarely give credit to Marketing Firms. It's just not that important to note in the intro.

Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 19:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Gameplay?

This article doesn't contain any description of what kind of game it is. Is it a fighting game? An adventure game? A platformer? 12.226.92.162 (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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