Talk:Snooker world ranking points 2013/2014

65th starting position is missing

Who was 65th at the start of this season? Andy Hicks? He is off the Main Tour, so 65th was Cao Yupeng and all others behind him were one position higher, too. Or the second column should be renamed to "Change since the end of the last season" or "Comparison with the final standings of the last season" or something. 195.91.110.132 (talk) 23:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

We should use the season start ranks to be consistent with World Snooker, although I am not sure what they do in this case. Andy Hicks may retain his ranking even though he's not on the tour, as per this list. If all non-tour players are stripped of their points then as you say Cao Yupeng would move up to 65th. It's best to wait until the next ranking list is published, and then we can compare the "start" ranks against the ones here and correct them if it's necessary. Betty Logan (talk) 06:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify. In the new updated list Andy Hicks retained the 65 rank as of the start of the season, but is down to 146 in the new rankings. Betty Logan (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. That ranking is very interesting. I see a lot of unfamiliar names (those with zero points). Why are they in the rankings? And where is Floyd Ziegler? 195.91.111.151 (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Basically anyone who is a member of the WPBSA is assigned a ranking, even if they are not on the tour. All players not on the tour are assigned 0 points. When players disappear from the ranking list it usually means they have been expelled from the organization (like Joe Jogia) or haven't paid their membership fee for the season (probably the case with Floyd Ziegler). Betty Logan (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorting

The sorting arrow in the third column alphabetically sorts countries instead of names. 195.91.110.132 (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

That is weird. It never used to do that. The software must have started sorting icons, so I've added a hidden sort to fix the problem. Betty Logan (talk) 05:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

cut-off point 6

Cut-off 6 - correct date is 30 March 2014 (after PTC Finals), isn't it? 195.91.109.99 (talk) 20:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That seems to be correct. I did change it, to Monday, March 31. Maybe we shouldn't change it until there is more confirmation though? If someone feels strongly about it, feel free to revert it back to the old date. (BTW, nice job on the big sortable ranking table! Quite useful.) Daniel Vallstrom (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The date of the tournament must have been changed since they set the seeding revisions. I think the new date will be correct since it is traditional to have the last ranking update after the PTC finals. Betty Logan (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

cut-off problem

Sorry, but, why are we one cut-off point ahead of WPBSA? 2012 Welsh Open, World Open & PTC-F points are already dropped from the big table.
195.91.109.93 (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? We are not ahead of anyone. Our cut-offs correspond exactly to the World Snooker's calendar at [1]. Betty Logan (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Betty. I mean, it looks like we are on the final cut-off point after PTC Grand Final 2014, because points from these three tournaments:

– Welsh Open 2011 (or 2012 in fact - in your reference is a few of mistakes)

– Haikou World Open 2011 (or 2012)

– PTC Grand Final 2011 (or 2012)

are already deducted from our big ranking table. And it doesn't match with the rankings at [2]. For example, Stephen Hendry – World Snooker's rankings: 11520 points; our rankings: 7660 points. So I meant, we are one cut-off point ahead. 195.91.110.129 (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The 2012 Welsh Open, World Open and PTC final all drop off at the next cut-off, that is why they are no longer in the table. Once we reach cut-off 5, the table activates the deductions for the next cut-off so the players can be re-ranked for the next update. This isn't a copy of the formal ranking list, you can think of it as the provisional seedings so you can see how players will be seeded when they are update at the next cut-off. Our table is basically the same as the tables at [3] and [4]. Betty Logan (talk) 04:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

OK. 195.91.108.21 (talk) 10:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Although, ... ... ... I would like to write something about the lead section of the article. The official 2013/2014 snooker world rankings have in fact 24 cutoffs during the season, but we have 7 in this article. I think, the lead section must be revised – the third sentence is completely unnecessary. (As points are accrued ...) This article is not about the official rankings. 195.91.110.19 (talk) 23:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

The third sentence is pretty central to the concept of a rolling ranking system. It's necessary to explain that the points from two seasons ago drop off so readers understand where the points from the first column have gone. Also, there are not 24 cut-offs in the season since the seedings are not revised after every tournament: there are just six cut-offs when the seedings are revised and that is what the table tracks. Betty Logan (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ooops, it's only now that I understand the third sentence. That sentence is shared for both types of rankings – the WPBSA Official World Rankings [5] (points are added & removed 24 times in this season), and the seeding list (revised after every third-fourth tournament). The third sentence is allright. What confused me, were the first words of the article: "the official". The official world rankings? Or the official points? One worse than the other. This article doesn't deal with the official world rankings. I propose to remove word "official" and edit the wording in the lead section to something like: "... points are added after every tournament ... 7 times during the season points are removed ..." 195.91.110.61 (talk) 16:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

points to money

I'm gonna recalculate all points to £. It will be more useful. 195.91.109.146 (talk) 20:37, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

You should save your time. After the world championship we will knock up a template to convert the points to prize money, which will save us retyping all the data. Betty Logan (talk) 21:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

May I insert this reference into the article? 195.91.108.131 (talk) 23:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

There is not much point since this season is just working off points. The money list kicks in next season and we will have a fresh article for that. I will make a start on the converter template and the 2014/2015 article this week, so if you want to help you can help me with that. We can make a start after I've finalised the latest cut-off in the next day or so. Betty Logan (talk) 23:16, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I have started work on the conversion template at {{Snooker season points/2014/2015}}. Basically what this template will do is replace each set of points with a money value for the 2012/2013 and 2013/2014 seasons (for 2014/2015 we will just type them in directly). I have filled out the converted values for the 2013/2014 season i.e. for the word championship the template converts 10000 points to 300000. The conversion amounts need to be added to the 2012/2013 section. If you want to do something you can fill out that part of the template (although it's ok if you don't want to). After the template is completed I can create the 2014/2015 article. Betty Logan (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Done !!! I wanna see the preview (and fix possible errors). 195.91.111.72 (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Here are some test cases I worked with:

No.	Ch	Player	11/12	12/13	PTC	WUC	AO	SM	IO	IC	UK	GM	WEO	WOO	CO	WC	13/14	1	2	3	4	5	6	Total
			Season		Tournament												Season	Cut-off point
1	6	Neil Robertson		280415	16000	80000	18750	11000	12000	150000	2500	2500	9000			310333	615748
17	5	Graeme Dott		84350	7783	3000		3000	30000	12000	2500	2500	0			75483	172353
33	11	Andrew Higginson		51401	1766	6500	2344	6000	0	3000	1250	2500	3000			33443	97624
64	13	Steve Davis		24560	3866	3000		2300	3000		1250	0	0			17416	50156
100		John Astley		0	3183	3000	94	250	0	3000	0	0	0			10110	10110
142		Igor Figueiredo		0	0											0	0

These take the money up to the PTC finals. We need to get them to match 2013/2014, 2012/2013-2013/2014 and World Snooker Prize money list up to PTC final. Betty Logan (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm testing it at User talk:195.91.111.207. It's almost okay. 195.91.111.207 (talk) 21:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I've made a handful of corrections but it's mostly ok. It works fine on the five test cases. If you want to test more you can copy more entries into the table and change "current season" to 2014/2015. I will create the new points article on Sunday after the China Open concludes and then the prize money can be tracked through the world qualifiers. Betty Logan (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Now it's perfectly fine. All 131 entries in this table are corresponding with Provisional Money List. Ordered and checked. 195.91.111.207 (talk) 23:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

" seasonbg=D3D3D3 "

I have an idea – gray background color (instead of 0) for players who did not enter last season (or last two). I mean 4th & 5th columns. 195.91.111.193 (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

It would be difficult to do for the 2011/2012 season. Since the season template calculates the totals at each cut-off it converts all the blanks to 0 and returns the totals (otherwise it wouldn't be able to do the calculation). Therefore, a 0 will be returned if the player doesn't enter or if they are simply awarded 0 points. The only way to do it would be to add a highlighting parameter for each season and then it would need to be set for each player. Betty Logan (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Or green !!! Imagine two green cells for each of those 36 protected players. That would look nice. 195.91.110.83 (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)