Talk:Sognamål dialect

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Is that it?[edit]

Is that all we know about Sognamål? Don't we have, for instance any written source from the middle ages, a runic inscription, an alliterative poem, a rímur or something that could give us any other information, any philological study made by some Norwegian linguist, hasn't anyone made a comparative linguistics essay on Sognamål, or even just a dictionary? Is all the corpus we have for it Windir lyrics? =P Come on, there must be something else. Someone do something! Ciacchi 23:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there is more... http://dikt.org/Fra_Sognefjorden but i suppose it is a subject that people of Sogn should fill in...

That would probably be best. I hope someone accepts the challenge. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 13:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Examples[edit]

Is there a reason that the examples are printed in all upper-case letters? Is this somehow typical orthography for Sognamål? Or is it just because someone felt like capitalizing all the examples?--Vishahu (talk) 05:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is just the choice of whoever added them to the article. Without being an expert I would assume that Sognamål would most effectively be written with an adapted and conservative version of Modern Norwegian orthography with some borrowings from Icelandic, for example á instead of å in words like "blue" (Modern Norwegian: blå, Icelandic/Sognamål: blár). It is an interesting subject, and I would very much like to see someone try to create an orthography for Sognamål (or Sognamál?) grounded in what already exists in western Scandinavia. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 13:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Nidator's suggestion makes the most sense. Sognamål is a (spoken) dialect, and there is no official ortography beyond that of Norwegian (nynorsk probably being the closest official variety.) However, some of the unique vowels do call for borrowing some spelling conventions (and letters) from Icelandic. -Stian (talk) 23:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Different languages[edit]

Can a user add these example words in a table with Sognamål, English, Danish, Swedish and Icelandic words? This would be good to understand the diferent or similar things between Sognamål and Scandinavian languages. Wax69 (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actual modern Norwegian (bokmål and nynorsk both, preferably) would be an even better comparison. I'd give this a shot, but either the dialect is so different from other Norwegian dialects that I am unable to understand it, or (more likely) these transcriptions are so poorly done that I'm unable to tell from the written examples which spoken word was intended in most of these. IPA transcriptions would be much more helpful. -Stian (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made table and added bokmål and nynorsk. The words are checked against http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi . I do speak Sognamål (or Sognamaol), but I have left a couple of blanks - some because they are untranslatable, some because I do not know at the moment. I may come back. --Bep (talk) 23:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article at presens lacks some important information; such as systematic differences when compared standardised Norwegian. The word idle, for example, demonstrates two of them: compared with the standardised ill, the transition -ll- → -dl- is systematic, as is the final e as it comes from the transitions -r (Old Norse) → -er → -e (epenthesis); in this case illr → (either iller or idlr) → (either ille or idler) → idle (assuming that illr is the origin of idle; I do not see why it wouldn't be). These transitions are generally very common in Western Norwegian dialects. Njardarlogar (talk) 13:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we do say vidle (vill, wild), stidle (still, quiet). Might be wise to have Brukar:ØysteinVangsnes on the nnwiki to have a look at this. He is both a scholar in the field, and he speaks the dialect. --Bep (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]