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"Consensus of thought"

The article states:There is no solid consensus on the question, although most Western experts outside the Vedic and Avestan religious traditions now seem to favour a species of Ephedra, perhaps Ephedra sinica.[1][2][3]

One of the footnotes is dead and the other 2 are full books with no specific page numbers given. I wouldn't think giving a whole book as support of a statement, without page numbers would suffice. Somaeye (talk) 07:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree. In section "Candidates for the Soma plant" a lot of other possible plants are discussed, each pointing to different and valid (or so it seems) evidence. In particular, the section seems to show there are solid arguments supporting the view that Soma was cannabis, but this fact is not mentioned in the introduction. Ricardohz (talk) 03:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Original Soma - Bhang Ki Thandai with Ephedra?

I find a lot of information about ingredients have been removed disappointing, especially Bhang.

In Mary Boyce's book "Zoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices" on page 5, she states the original Soma was made from milk, the leaves of one plant, and the juice obtained from pounding stems of another plant.

In Piloo Nanavutty's book "The Gathas of Zarathushtra: Hymns in Praise of Wisdom" on page 65 there is the story about Ahura Mazda giving Gayodad some Bhang to eat and rubbed it in his eyes to reduce his suffering.

The research of Graeco-Russian archeologist Viktor Sarianidi also confirms the presents of Cannabis by seed impressions found in pottery at ancient Zoroastrian locations.

Knowing the early Zoroastrians believe in the medicinal or psychoactive properties of Cannabis leaves and the use of Ephedra in ritual today, Soma may have originally been a form of Bhang Ki Thandai with Ephedra.

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Indra is not the name of a god but a title!

In the article it seems to me that Indra is taken as the name of a god which is not the case! It ist a title which could be seen from the Puranas, according to which every manvantara got a different Indra also. So the title Indra not every time points to the same person! --217.13.71.164 (talk) 13:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

A simple translation

I have been puzzled for a long time about the confusion in determining what "Soma" was. For me the fact that a Persian word for mushroom is "somaroogh", along with the known properties of Amanita Muscaria (or perhaps some other mushroom) seems like sufficient evidence. That it might have been a drink is no obstacle. One method of ingesting cannabis is drinking butter milk infused with the resin. I think the properties of Amanita are well documented. For "somaroogh" see سماروغ فرهنگ فارسی معین SBader (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Proposal: split this article into two

@Redtigerxyz:, @Joshua Jonathan:, others who have contributed to this article: The article combines Soma (drink) and Soma (deity) (moon, zodiac sign), making the article jumbled and confusing. The article also needs references and clean up. Should we split this article into two, along with the clean up? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 07:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Spread of cannabis with the Indo-Europeans?

Eurogenes blog, Bronze Age dope dealers:

"A marked increase in cannabis achene records from East Asia between ca. 5,000 and 4,000 cal bp might be associated with the establishment of a trans-Eurasian exchange/migration network through the steppe zone, influenced by the more intensive exploitation of cannabis achenes popular in Eastern Europe pastoralist communities."

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Some informations about Soma

According to Samaveda 1.5.2.4.7 + 9 and Atharvaveda 3.21.10a Soma (in Samaveda also called "Indu", f.e. 1.2.2.1.1) is growing on Mountains, according to Aitareya Brahmana 1.2.2 in the north. According to Aitareya Brahmana 1.3.1 the gods bought it in the east. So it was at least at a specific time trading stock. According to Samaveda 2.1.2.8.2 it was washed at first by brahmanas, according to 2.4.2.10.3 it was after that pressed between two planks. According to Rigveda 8.4.13 (compare 2.39.1) it was then according to Jaiminiya Brahmana 1, 156 formerly two times (according to 1, 285 in the morning and evening), later three times a day pressed, according to Samaveda 2.2.2.9.3 by brahmanas (which according to 2.5.2.15.2 by doing this worshiped Indra) between two stones, according to 2.3.2.18.2 of the Trita (another name of the Kailas). According to Satapatha Brahmana 1.2.1.15 f. they represent the earth and it's axis. Because of this the pressing depicts the churning of the milk ocean. According to Samaveda 1.5.2.4.9 and 2.5.2.19.3 Soma was sifted through a net and according to 1.6.1.3.3 + 5 + 9 crosswise filtered through an, according to 2.6.1.9.3 and 2.6.2.15.3 silvercoloured aries tail which represents according to 2.5.1.4.4 (compare 2.4.1.3.5 and 2.4.2.1.11) the naval of the sky [= northern celestial pole]. According to Krishna (black) Yajurveda 6.5.9 Soma came out of a wooden tub which arose in the fight with Vrtra. Somas according to Rigveda 8.4.14, Samaveda 2.6.3.3.1 and Satapatha Brahmana 1.6.3.3 brown, according to Aitareya Brahmana 2.3.8.2 thick, bitter, according to Samaveda 2.5.2.12.2 heavy smelling juice was according to Satapatha Brahmana 1.6.4.7 f. mixed with water, honey, sour milk (according to Atharvaveda 2.26.4a with butter) and boiled fresh milk, according to Samaveda 1.3.1.2.7 and more often and Atharvaveda 6.30.1 and more often also mixed with barley (also meant in Atharvaveda 2.26.4a + 5a). Then it was according to Atharvaveda 3.13.6b golden coloured and was according to Rigveda 8.4.3b offered in the morning and evening.--62.153.25.96 (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

It seems that the reference to Rigveda 8.4.3b refers to the early era when Soma was pressed two times a day in the morning and evening and that Soma later not only was pressed but also offered three times a day one beaker (see Atharvaveda 2.5.7a).--91.17.200.27 (talk) 09:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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This edit, edit-summary "Unreliable sources not related to the subject of article" removed solidly sourced info. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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