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A news item involving Soma mine disaster was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 14 May 2014.

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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on May 13, 2019.

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Coordinates[edit]

I sort of guessed at the actual site. Google maps shows a big plant just northeast of the town, but maybe that's just for processing. Perhaps somebody could match the news story photos with some landmarks at google maps to find the exact spot. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed:

39°11′32″N 27°38′24″E / 39.19222°N 27.64000°E / 39.19222; 27.64000

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BBC identifies another spot some 14 kilometers southeast of the center of Soma. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27408394 (39° 4'37.90"N 27°31'30.93"E)Jawei (talk) 22:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that certainly looks like it, thank you Jawei. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

Is there really a need for "2014"? There is no need to disambiguate, and convention is not to use the year. Examples:

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No. Redirect should be enough. -Koppapa (talk) 11:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are we sure this is the only one in Soma? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was some other fatal accidents in Soma. Sources in Turkish: in 2007, in 2013 n a z i f i l b e k ✍ 12:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In this context, the word "disaster" describes an event involving large-scale death, destruction and/or hardship. —David Levy 16:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mine's management/ownership and its coal client/destination[edit]

Information about who is behind this mine and also about to whom the coal obtained from it goes would improve the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.14.168 (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, along those lines: [1] [2] [3]. "The owner of the mine, Alp Gurkan, has previously been quoted in the Turkish press boasting of how he has reduced the operating cost of the mine." I don't have time to go through and add this right now, but this Alp Gürkan warrants a mention. ToBk (talk) 21:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In fact the mine is not owned by Soma Kömür İşletmeleri A.Ş. as said by the first sentence of the article. The mine is under lease by that company from Turkish Mining Coal Corporation (tr:Türkiye Kömür İşletmeleri Kurumu a state-owned institution), who owns the mine. Soma Kömür İşletmeleri A.Ş. has the lease to produce coal only. TKİ (Turkish Mining Coal Corporation) buys all the production according to that lease contract. That company's site and the Annual operation report of TKİ give that information. Both sources are in Turkish. --Mskyrider (talk) 08:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

seriously can not any one post another picture ?[edit]

File:Beyaz Saray önünde Soma Faciası anma töreni (5).jpg

constantly when there is a tragedy just like in south korea ferry sinking the first pictures coming are always pro american orientated, either showing the US army helping or now the white house in front of it. I dont want to bash people who feel for others but i cant stand if certain people use Wikipedia as some kind of propaganda tool. You can see how professional this picture is made, like its posted from an US embassy website or something. Wikipedia should really try to diversify its source of images especially right from the beginning when an article is made. Many people dont read even articles but rather look at the templates, at how many casualties and other info and then at the pictures.--Crossswords (talk) 06:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes well that is because that is what we have available to us. Of course there is always File:Mine rescue in Soma, Turkey.jpg, which is actually in the infobox. Short of someone actually going to Turkey to take pictures (or knowing someone in the area) there isn't much we can do other than look for free pictures to use. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Past tense lead[edit]

Why so much past tense? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because it happened 4 days ago, but the rescue mission is ongoing. elmasmelih (used to be KazekageTR) 23:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all Wikipedia content is past tense, as it's an Encyclopedia, not a new source. Writing in the past tense is always accurate and doesn't require later correction, while present tense writing will shortly be wrong, can cause confusion, and requires someone to come and correct it a few days/weeks later. Audigex (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mismatch in details[edit]

The text claims that the explosion occured at a depth of "2 kilometres (1.2 mi)".

Yet the illustration to the left of the text places it at about "2000 ft / 600 m" juging from the scale/ruler to the left. Judging from the main level depth note at the right close to the upper "Trapped Miners" the explosion occured above "1500 ft / 460 m".

Acording to the illustration the main shaft is not even 2000 m deep.

There is an obvious mismatch of details here.--151.183.0.36

It started with a fire on electricty system. And there is no explosion. 2km is not a depth is a length of the mine. So illustration is totally wrong. I add 32 pictures Wiki Commons and I change the main picture with a better version. We can use others to.--Mavrikant (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting Clarification for Casualties[edit]

Under header (Explosion and Fire), " The explosion killed 301 workers, injured another 80, and trapped nearly 600 workers in the mine,[citation needed] causing most of the victims to die of carbon monoxide poisoning." Were the 301 killed by explosion, or carbon monoxide?

Sorry I have not time to update this article or look for the report but page 14 of this mentions a report - presumably official.Chidgk1 (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just added the expert report and clarified. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]