Talk:Sorbet/Archive 1

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turkish

the turkish word is şerbet .

Merge

Sorbeto has been merged and redirected to "sorbet". --Viriditas | Talk 13:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A few words in Turkish

I would like to mention the following. I think the Turkish word for sorbet is Şerbet and not şerbat. Also I'm not sure the word originates from Arabic. I looked at my larousse encyclopedia and it says it comes from Turkish and not Arabic.

What other meanings does the word have in Turkish? This word comes from the Arabic root sh-r-b which indicates something that has to do with drinking, etc. There are many words in Arabic that use this root: shuroba (soup), ashrab (to drink), sharab (drink (n.)), etc. etc. The origin of this word is undoubtedly Arabic, which brings me to my next point... The supposed Persian origin of the word seems to be a 20th century Farsi word for this same substance, but may have roots in the Arabic word. I'm removing it until it's proven that the Arabic word derived from the Farsi. :)

Courses

Given the problems with the various different and clashing names used for meal courses in the English speaking world, might it be better to replace the text about entrées, and starters with just a simple "between courses"? This might make it more accurate, as I've certainly been to a 5-course meal where the sorbet was between the fish and meat courses.

Etimology

The origin of the food can not be identified geographically but it is present in the ancient Mediterranean. And it is certainly the ancestor of the ice cream.

Some people use the milk/yoghurt as the Byzantines, Arabs, Turks (and Romans, Greeks and Persians before them). Others use only alcohol and wine as the Venetians. To see Sgroppin /Sgroppino. Others use a mixture of various things or with various syrups, alcoholic and non. The use of sugar is typical only of the western confectionery. Eastern confectionery used the honey.

Regarding the origin of word isn’t Arab. The latin SORBERE (verb) that come from and indo-european root that exist natively in Greek and I think in also in Persian language. In latin as in the italian word SORBIRE(substantive SORBETTO) It means a mix drink/eat. The Arabs take the word from Byzantine or from Sassanid Empire when they arrived from the desert of the Arabic peninsula.

However mix ice and milk or alcohol is typical of all cultures of the mountain pasture surely in Mediterranean world that I know and I think also in other parts. Probably also Oetzi knew the Sorbet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.222.77.239 (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

SH, S and SC

(Italian phonology normally did not use an -sh- sound, historically, and normally converted the -sh- sound of foreign words to an -s- sound in Italian. Hence the absent 'h' in sorbet).

This affirmation in the article isn't true. The sound "Sherbet" (SH) in Italian language is "Scerbet" With "SC" and no with "S". Today indeed the international word use italian or better the latin etimology. The word sorbetto is the noun of the verb "sorbire" this verb exist in other neo-latin languages, for example the OC language and keeps the original meaning. The root probably is Indo-European. Unfortunately, not everything comes from the East ;-)

I see the "New English Dictionary on Historical Principles" in note and it confirms the Latin origin for West Europe and Persian or Greek origin for Turkish word. I don't know but probably in Europe the people could sip the sorbet well before the arrival of the Turks in Anatolia from Central Asia in XIII c ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.223.59.185 (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I have changed the sentence according with texts presentes in New English Dictionary... and in Dizionario etimologico italiano in note(1). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.222.77.87 (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Zefr

@Zefr: What good content and sources were removed? Spudlace (talk) 00:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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