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I am asking for a photo of the school for the info box. The current image is of an ROTC event at the school and is not an appropriate image to illustrate the infobox. I would move it elsewhere in the article, but the article does not even mention the ROTC at this school. I'm going to remove the image. Meters (talk) 22:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Alumni[edit]

Lists of notable alumni generally include only alumni who have Wikipedia articles to show their notability, and reliable references to show their attendance. It is acceptable to have the attendance reference for an individual in their Wikipedia article rather than in the school article. Exceptions are sometimes (rarely) made for alumni who would clearly qualify for an article if one were written.

Re this edit [1], Trevor Hanson does not have a Wikipedia article to show his notability. According to the supplied reference for his attendance he played minor league baseball for six years, and never played in the major leagues. It is not correct to claim that he was a "former baseball player for the St. Louis Cardinals. As for his notability, we do not presume notability for major league players, let alone for minor leaguers. There may be enough coverage of him to show his notability, but we cannot presume that. If there are sufficient reliable sources to show that he is notable then an article should be written for him before he is listed in the Notable alumni list, per WP:WTAF. Meters (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For reference, I'm posting here after seeing something posted about it posted at the Help Desk. While it's not necessary per WP:LSC and WP:SOURCELIST for individual entries in embedded lists to Wikipedia notable in their own right, generally the first WP:CSC for "Notable people" types of lists is that each entry have a stand-alone article written about them or at least be a very good candidate for such an article when one doesn't already exist. While it's certainly may be true that Hanson is an alumnus of the school, it kind of comes down to WP:NOTEVERYTHING (at least in my opinion) and also to the fact that each other entry on the list does already have a stand-alone article written about them. There may be lots of people who one might try to argue deserve to be mentioned in a list such as this (many secondary schools have their own "Hall of Fame" of "notable alumni" for example), but some kind of "bright-line rule" needs to be established for this particular article for Wikipedia to prevent "random" names from being added from hereon. It seems that when it comes to lists such as this, the first and most basic criteria is that an article about the subject already exists or could reasonably expected to exist, which doesn't seem to be the case here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're sure about that, Marchjuly? By that logic almost all of the players in the Minor League Baseball rosters lists should be deleted. Say it ain't so, Joe! Yappy2bhere (talk) 22:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERCONTENT and WP:ALLORNOTHING arguments don't usually work too well when it comes to Wikipedia dicussions; so, it's probably best to stick to what's being discussed with respect to this article. A team roster seems to me to be a finite list not only in terms of those on the roster, but also when they are on the roster; so, there is already at least one common selection criterion inherent to the list: someone is either a member of the team at that time or they're not. I don't think the same can be said for a "notable person" list such as this, Who should be included is perhaps a bit more subjective in a sense, which is why the primary criterion for inclusion often is that the subject already have a Wikipedia article written about them. In some cases (for example, a well-known school with lots of "notable" alumni), there might additional criteria established for determining who gets mentioned in the parent article about the school itself and who get relegated to a child article which is simply a WP:SAL for the school's notable alumni. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. This is covered by WP:NLIST. The team roster itself is a notable topic, and the finite number of entries (players) do not need to be individually notable. School alumni lists are, instead, actually lists of notable alumni, being listed because they are both alumni and notable. The individual entries do need to be notable. There is no evidence that the minor league baseball player in question is notable. Meters (talk) 08:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]