Talk:Statement Festival

Couple of points

Cis doesn't mean heterosexual, see e.g. http://www.transstudent.org/definitions/. The festival is scheduled at Bananpiren in Gothenburg, Sweden, August 31 -September 1 per the website. And if a key person in an organization states what the long-term goal is, that is in no way speculation per WP:FUTURE. Sjö (talk) 11:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

The WP:AUDIENCE of ENWP are not experts at gender studies. These terms could certainly be accurately explained in plain English. AadaamS (talk) 06:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure, as long as the explanation is accurate. I really don't think you need to be an expert at gender studies to know the proper terms. Today, they should be common knowledge, and if someone doesn't know them, that's what links are for. Sjö (talk) 08:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• The link you posted wasn't to a dictionary, it was a link to gender studies expressions. The very need for such a list indicates those terms are not in everyday usage. Thereby you proved that those terms are indeed specialized knowledge. The link target should remain, but the link text should be plain English. What an editor thinks should be common knowledge is not covered by guideline WP:AUDIENCE. For instance from the guidelines Can people tell what the article is about if the first page is printed out and passed around? AadaamS (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
• There are no future dates announced for this festival, that means there is no future admission policy, either. There can't be an admission policy for a festival that isn't scheduled to take place. Add info to the Emma Knyckare article. AadaamS (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Your arguments are weak, you use the policies very selectively, and you have introduced factual errors in the article. Yes, the term cis can be found in a list of definitions, but using that as proof that a word isn't in everyday usage would mean that every word in Wikipedia and Wiktionary is unusual. And I never said that the word is in everyday usage, that is a red herring straw man, but that it should be common knowledge. "Should" in this case meaning "is generally expected to", as you should understand, had you assumed good faith.

There is nothing in WP:FUTURE that says that you can't add an organisations present long-term goals. If there is, please show exactly what that text is.

You add the incorrect statement that the festival "forbids heterosexual men from attending" despite being told that "cis men" doesn't say anything about sexual orientation. (An earlier version of the article said incorrectly that the festival recieved 330 000 euro in state subsidies, but the source was clear that the festival was only one of the recipients.) Taken altogether those are good reasons to revert your changes.Sjö (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Heterosexual men are, factually, not allowed at the festival, word trickery doesn't change that fact. These are not "my" arguments, guidelines are there for a reason but this talk page is not the right place to challenge them. Per WP:AUDIENCE, editors are obliged to use plain English. Per WP:SOAPBOX, it is not the job of ENWP to change the language. AadaamS (talk) 05:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the funding information, that was a mistake on my part. AadaamS (talk) 05:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:CRYSTAL Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. there are no such thing as almost certain when it comes to music/art festivals. Feel free to add the speculations to Emma Knyckare article. AadaamS (talk) 05:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure, heterosexual men are barred, but so are homosexual men, lefthanded men, redheaded men and men with a limp. Saying that heterosexual men are barred is not what the source says and WP:V trumps WP:AUDIENCE. Still I'd like to point out that the explanatory supplement Wikipedia:Writing better articles besides encouraging plain English also says "Use clear, precise and accurate terms" (emphasis mine). This has been clearly explained to you and your repeated and deliberate addition of factual errors is getting disruptive.

There is nothing CRYSTAL in presenting the current goals of the organization, and your removing that is not supported by that policy. 18:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the factual correction, but "cis men" is not plain English per WP:AUDIENCE and the Julia Serano interview in Times Magazine makes it clear that using a term such as "cis men" violates WP:SOAPBOX. Are all men allowed as electricians, plumbers or stage riggers? Audience and artists aren't the only ppl at a festival area. There are security guards, people taking away the trash and so forth. AadaamS (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Festival logistics

Sjö do you know if the "transgender men only" system applies to electricians and stage riggers as well? It takes a bit of lighting, stage riggning and audio equipment to do a music festival. AadaamS (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

NPOV dispute

There is an editor here who seems to have a strong bias against the event.

I present the following evidence of bias:

• Using "gender studies" adjectively to describe "cis-man". This adjectival use is often derisive.
• The insinuation that the organisers were originally trying to evade laws just because they contacted lawyers. The cited reference does not speak of evasion. Indeed, the latter event of being ruled guilty shows that they did not succeed in any alleged evasion attempt.
• Wikilinks being used as commentary, such as "gender segregation".
• Insistence on how "cis man" is jargon. This term exists in many other parts of Wikipedia without challenge.

I believe my reverted edits were an improvement towards NPOV, but that one editor with an apparent axe to grind has reverted them. JordiGH (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Currency and results of judgement

(1) Was the festival held after 2018? The article says this is an aim but the sidebar implies it has been held every year since.

(2) What was the result of the judgement that the festival was discriminatory? The festival was held anyway in 2018. What happened as a result of that judgement?

Robert Brockway (talk) 14:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)