Talk:Stephen Trigg

Need Sources

I'm actually a researcher of the Trigg family and I do not have a source for his date of marriage nor his birth place. Spotsylvania county is probably true, since his family lived there, but I haven't run across anything yet that says so. Also, I have his birth year as 1744? plange 13:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed these since they weren't sourced. plange 03:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Good Article

This is a very good article in that it is well cited, referenced. However, it lacks good pictures, and is hard to understand. The lead is also pretty poorly written. It needs some clean-up and it needs to be wikified. --GoOdCoNtEnT 06:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Lincoln County

The intro refers to the militia of Lincoln Co., Va., but it links to Lincoln County, Kentucky. Maurreen 05:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, am not sure what to do about that-- it originally was Lincoln County, Virginia (at the time he was there) but it later became Lincoln County, Kentucky-- should I just redlink it to Lincoln County, Virginia? plange 06:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, that is tricky. Some other options:

1. Add a hidden comment for editors.
2. Unlink it at the top, make a link in the "Early Kentucky pioneer" section and add a parenthetical note there? Maurreen 06:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

RebelAt, I see you changed it back to how I had it originally, wasn't sure if you'd seen this note above? -plange 01:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

GA passes

I have passed this. Congratulations! Good work on a difficult subject to research.

My suggestions for further improvement:

• Trim down the run-on sentences like "His daughter Mary married General David Logan, whose son was Stephen Trigg Logan who later served in the Illinois state legislature, and was the law partner of Abraham Lincoln in Springfield, Illinois."

• I don't quite know what the deal is with those blocked quotes. Couldn't they be more integrated with the text? The first one, especially, just seems to float there, with no explanation of why.

Once again, good work and congratulations! Daniel Case 01:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Translation => GE

Just as a notice: I am currently working on a german translation of this featured article. Please consult me if you feel like that, for we shall not do the same work twice. Ich arbeite derzeit an einer Übersetzung dieses Artikels, falls es mir jemand gleichtun möchte bitte ich um Absprache! de:Benutzer:Mephistophilus

POV

I'm afraid this article exhibits a rather grossly pro-revolutionary POV, providing great detail on only one side of the conflict while glossing over the loyalist side, even casting it as the "British crown" and "hostiles". This may be the result of the source selection, which is overwhelmingly made up of local historians' works. Needs a careful rework. I've restrained myself from adding {{POV}}, but this has to be fixed: it's supposed to be an FA-class article. LeadSongDog come howl! 04:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Is it not simply that the article is about someone who was on the revolutionary side? It's clear that such an article is going to include much more information about that side than about the other one (I assume the article on Hitler contains more information about the Nazis than the Allies), and to use words like "hostile" to refer to troops who were hostile to that side (though I can't say I much like "hostile" as a noun). Victor Yus (talk) 08:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

No, it isn't that simple. Trigg was a sworn servant of the Crown and an officer of the court, who from the loyalist perspective committed treason, for which quartering was the legally prescribed penalty at the time. The article, though, says he was "cut into pieces", as if it was an atrocity in combat. Removed "hostile" as unnecessary. LeadSongDog come howl! 16:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

NO. Trigg was indeed a sworn servant of the Crown and an officer of the court, who may have been suspected of treason. Certainly, there was sufficient justification for loyal officers to defend themselves against his assaults, or to assault or remand him into custody (to prevent further treasons). The lives of rebels are often forfeit. However, there is no evidence of court-martial or legal finding of guilt. Trigg couldn't legally be executed. Compare: Nathan Hale. Secondly, "hanging, drawing, quartering" was exclusively prescribed for High Treason (a personal attack against the Crown itself) Hanged, drawn, and quartered. For petty treason, he'd just be hanged. Thirdly, quartering was an incredibly laborious chore, done for public spectacle, almost always in London. (Only twice in the Colonies). ~50 British loyalists, ~300 indians. Some of the sources describe the rebel casualties at Blue Licks as scalped. That seems compatible with "were found cut into pieces" and more likely than quartering.--Robert Keiden (talk) 08:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

More POV: "The Fincastle Committee of Safety that drafted the Fincastle Resolutions, which was the precursor for the Declaration of Independence". While it's an important enough document, I'd like to see some stronger sourcing for a claim that it's the singular precursor. --Robert Keiden (talk) 08:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Chronology?

This is the featured article today, but it is not in order chronologically. I am reluctant to move sections around because it is featured, but it seems to me that history is typically presented in the order that events occur. Discuss. Clove0106 (talk) 16:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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