Talk:Steve Perry/Archive 1

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The bio there was not in fact a copy-and-paste, I did write it. I believe it surpasses the current intro, and it does not contain misinformation. I'd appreciate if you'd let the edit stay as it were. Thank you. 22:47, 20 July 2005 Loaded

OK. I've merged what was useful from the original article into yours. I've formatted your article in proper Wikipedia style, especially in terms of the intro. I've also done a general copyediting and links editing run over it. Wasted Time R 00:08, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

The article could use an image of Perry. It could also use a further discussion of the quality of his voice and his singing techniques, and also how he influenced other rock lead singers in the 1980s and beyond. Wasted Time R 00:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

It is also common knowledge that Steve Perry has a daughter who was born before his Journey days. He does, however values his privacy and does not discuss it.

I've removed "Steve Perry is the best singer in the world.". -Nick

"I Can See It In Your Eyes" is not an unreleased song, as stated in the August 2007 paragraph in the "Recent News" section. The song was released on the Japanese issue of Trial By Fire in 1996. This needs to be corrected.- Brian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.1.189 (talk) 10:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Alien Project

Editors may be interested in improving Alien Project, Perry's band before Journey, or participating in a discussion as to whether it should be deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alien Project (band). Bondegezou 16:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It is also well known that Don't Stop Believin' is NOT about an old girlfriend as someone is saying it is. Read all the interviews Steve Perry has done on the song and Jonathon Cain has also said they wrote it in Detroit while looking out a hotel room, during the night. Sher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.233.141 (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Error re: Steve Perry - no such thing as "Dave Hart Canadian Lawn Side awards"

"receive a coveted ranking of #23 on the Dave Hart Canadian Lawn Side awards."

looks like an attempt a humour by someone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.226.76 (talk) 17:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I tried to delete it once before and got a warning for vandalism... Slypig (talk) 02:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Confusion: Born in California... then moved to California during teen years. Where was he in between?

i just wondering what are you doing these days?? i miss you with Journey..the other guy is good but not you.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.4.53 (talk) 00:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

"The article could use an image of Perry."

But not THAT image! Get thee behind me, foul mustache! I'll look for something more representative and less... uh... mustachey. Grammargal (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Using the "Faithfully" screenshot is against policy anyway, so I changed it back. FotoPhest (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

EEK! I mean, GEEK! What do we need, public domain? I'll check the policy and see what I can come up with. Grammargal (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Steve Perry

The 1980's hit Any Way yo want it, journey, was very popular an most of the girls thought steve peryy was the prittiest man they ever seen. He was well known for his eyes, smile, hair, and face. He was one of the most gorgeous men around. Steve Perry is still alive, at age 61 him and his band performed in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.254.157.20 (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Song Lost Angels

Where does the song Lost Angels fit into the Steve Perry time line? I have seen a long and short versions of the videos for the song and did not see it mentioned in the article. I think it sounds as contempory now and wondered if it was available for purchase.Mrmike73 (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Vocal classification added

If citations are required, please do not delete the additions; I will add citations if it is commonly agreed that they are needed.

JanisCortese (talk) 06:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

In the article used for the citation of Steve Perry's Voice, the author freely admits that he does not use citations himself. This claim and citation needs to be removed until a proper citation from a credible source can be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.84.80 (talk) 08:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Vocal classification

Understanding that it's 1) thorny to classify popular vocalists, and 2) the English term is already somewhat difficult to pin down, am curious as to whether Perry should be labeled as a counter or haute contre, or at least a very solid tenor altino. Again, I understand the difficulty of classification, but even if you want to equate countertenor to falsettist (as is currently in fashion), I don't see a way to avoid classing him as at least tenor altino without also excluding Russell Oberlin (who, interestingly enough, does equate altino or haute contre with countertenor, and who excludes falsettists entirely).

JanisCortese (talk) 04:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The citation used to classify Steve Perry's voice is sketchy at best. The author claims no position of authority nor does he cite his own references or back up his claim with any sort of academic credibility. The point of a citation is that it comes from a credible source such as a peer review article, or at the very least, a credible publication. One could find information on the internet to back up any crazy claim and put it on wikipedia, but that would defeat the whole academic purpose here. As a classically trained vocalist, and huge fan of Steve Perry, I for one would love to see his voice accurately described, but not under these circumstances. It needs to either be better cited, or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.84.80 (talk) 08:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC) See wikipedia's policy on Questionable Sources: [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.84.80 (talk) 08:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

As a singer, I have to agree, the section about Steve Perry's voice classification is just a bunch of nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.249.56 (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Addition of Steve Perry singing "Don't Stop Believin" during the NLCS Game 5

Apologies for my previous edit. Per this video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-DpMFd8_A)...Steve Perry also joined the crowd in singing "Don't Stop Believin" during Game 5 of the NLCS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.232.216.159 (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey - i was at Game 1 and that was the night that the crows sang along to "Lights" the youtube poster had it wrong. it is confirmed on Steve Perry's own website. I just changed it back to game 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermut (talk • contribs) 03:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Randy Jacksons quote:

Only Robert Plant equals Steve? I'm a big Steve fan as a singer myself, and that is very shortsighted. First, there's Mickey Thomas of Jefferson Starship, then Dennis DeYoung Of Styx and Geoff Tate of Queensryche for starters. Boston's Brad Delp, Rik Emmett of Triumph, Steve Walsh of Kansas, Lou Gramm of Foreigner and Ian Gillain of Deep Purple, who did Jesus Christ Superstar, are some others to consider. I love Steve's singing, but Freddie Mercury of Queen is the best overall male rock singer I've ever heard. Depending on your appreciation of style, Sammy Hagar, Ronnie James Dio, Roger Daltry and also Rod Halford of Judas Priest might be worth a consideration also. The guy for Shinedown, a modern band, isn't too bad either. How about Ann Wilson of Heart or Pat Benatar among the ladies, for starters ? So, the point made is, there's been alot of good strong singers in rock. Jackson's comment could be taken as dismissive of rock music in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerjets11 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you're taking the quote by Jackson way out of context. Jackson was simply saying no one came close to Steve's signature style and emotion he brought to Journey's songs. Jackson actually toured with Journey, so I think he knows a little bit about Perry's voice. You mentioned several singers, but Jackson is right in regards to vocal range and ability. I agree Freddie Mercury is a great singer too and Ann Wilson is one of the greatest female singers ever. Sammy Hagar, Ronnie James Dio, Roger Daltry and also Rod Halford of Judas Priest, Boston's Brad Delp, Rik Emmett of Triumph, Steve Walsh of Kansas, Lou Gramm of Foreigner, and the many others you have mentioned are great singers. But let's be realistic, they certainly do not have the vocal range of Perry. I don't think he was being shortsighted either, I think Jackson was stating what he has seen and heard since he produced and played with several different music artists. He has been around a lot of different voices. That doesn't mean you have to agree with him, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

Journey84 (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

If you're talking about vocal range then Rob Halford of Judas Priest and Freddie Mercury can compete with almost anyone including Steve Perry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.167.107 (talk) 19:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

References

Steve Perry's Mother's Name?

This article mentions Perry's father's name but not his mother's. Because of her influence on his musical career, I think it would be important to have her name in here somewhere.

Mary C. Quaresma Perry Rottman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamafterdream (talk • contribs) 15:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Is this true (Bovine Seamen)?

Perry has recently re-kindled a childhood interest in cattle and dairy farming and currently has an interest in a small bovine insemination business in the Central Valley. [7]

7 ^ "Hometown Boy 'Journeys' Back to the Farm.". http://www.thelemooreadvance.com/articles/2009/09/21/news/doc4aa04bfdb46cf718118482.txt.

• • • • Now reference #10

When you click on reference it says "FILE NOT FOUND"

Dreamafterdream (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Of the three "sources", one is a dead link, and the other two reference blogs that each have a single unreferenced "tongue-in-cheek" sentence. If these are the only sources, it is almost certainly bullshit. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The user edit-warring this in using different IPs fails to realize that the "sources" they are using are not reliable sources at all: they are WP:BLOGS. A simple Google search of "Steve Perry bovine insemination" reveals no reliable sources for this whatsoever. Most everything out there is in fact a mirror of the WP article. Without a reliable source this needs to remain out of the WP:BLP. Doc talk 23:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It probably is circular: the source for the blogs is WP, and the WP source is the blogs... But one would think that if it were true there would be other sources, it is quite common for various "rich folks" to dabble in side lines - Raymond Burr owned a winery, Elton John's collaborator Bernie Taupin runs a horse ranch... =//= Johnny Squeaky 00:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Correct: it's not far-fetched for him to be in that business, but we can't prove it's true without reliable sources. The fact that the unsourced stuff stresses "bovine insemination" instead of "cattle ranching" is dubious, especially when reading one of the blogs. If it's true, the user will be able to find acceptable refs for it. If not, and they continue to edit war, other steps will be taken. Doc talk 00:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The Lemoore Herald is NOT unsourced and is not a blog. I do not realise why some editors think that only sources that they can access on the internet are valid? If something isn't "clickable" does it not exist for you? Go ahead with whatever "other steps" you threaten Doc; the article was in a PUBLISHED newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.185.254 (talk) 00:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not accurately sourced enough to be included. Your interpretation of BLP and RS is faulty. By edit-warring contentious material into a BLP you are going to see the page locked to all IP editors for a time if you don't stop. Doc talk 00:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"It's not accurately sourced enough to be included. " Uhhuh -- so, lets leave aside the acronyms that you are hiding behind for a minute. You are claiming that a local newspaper is not "accurate... enough" for you because its not clickable? Can you agree to that? That all wikipedia sources, in your opinion, must be claickable or they are not "accurate ... enough" for you? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.185.254 (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Since you persistently hop IPs to edit war, the page will obviously have to be protected to prevent further disruption from you. A shame. I've never heard of the "Lemoore Herald", and, unsurprisingly, a Google search yields zilch. A "local paper" is not one printed in one's basement. Doc talk 01:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The newspaper is the Lemoore Advance-- see the source that you deleted as not "accurate .. enough". As for it not existing; it quite certainly did as can be seen here:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn2003061020/

Perhaps the Library of Congress adds up to zilch in your view? Now that the existence of the paper is clear; will you now admit that simply deleting any source that is not clickable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.185.254 (talk) 02:48, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Better delete this too then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemoore,_California#Media -- since obviously the Leemore Advance is "printed in one's basement". Idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.185.254 (talk) 02:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

If I did it would be in the better interest of the project as it is unreferenced. Do not call me an idiot: this is never a good way to get what you want. You called it the "Lemoore Herald" first, now you insist it's the "Lemoore Advance". I'm not wasting any more time explaining things to you. Ask others to clarify things for you. Doc talk 04:09, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I think the most telling sign that this is BS is that a Google search brings up exactly nothing of any significance on this. Nothing. A single “throwaway” sentence in some random local paper (that no-longer exists) that contains no elaboration or really any significant information on the subject really doesn't count as an acceptable reference. The references currently being pushed - such that they are, both being almost identical single sentences devoid of any real information, in what can only be described as "blogs" - are weak at best. There is clearly no consensus on including this "information". It should not be included until there are better sources or a consensus is reached. =//= Johnny Squeaky 17:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

just want to wish steve a HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!

'Bold text' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.233.62 (talk) 07:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Steve Perry (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

No information on his marriage (s)?

This biography seems very superficial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77CB:37C0:BDB9:FA1E:19AC:ED78 (talk) 05:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

New picture

Can somebody please find a new picture for the infobox? This is the worst picture I've ever seen used for anyone on Wikipedia. Zabboo (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Needs more sources

There is a bunch of unsourced material. SunCrow (talk) 07:01, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Journey era

Recommend removing this line: "Perry had become the unmistakable voice of Journey"; it's fluff (my term) and subjective, whether it's true or not. Thoughts? BigJoeRockHead (talk) 03:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Leave the phrase in. It is completely correct. When Journey needed a new singer who did they hire? Someone who sounds exactly like Steve Perry. So if its true, it's not subjective.

Early Life ("...her son")

2nd paragraph: "On Perry's 12th birthday, his mother, Mary Quaresma, presented her son..." any opposition to changing "son" with "him"? Son just doesn't sound right. Maybe as a stand-alone sentence. BigJoeRockHead (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)