Talk:Still Alive: The Remixes

"Still Alive" redirects here? Really?

I hope I don't sound naive, but is this album really more likely to be searched than the Portal "Still Alive"? I'd think most people typing in "Still Alive" are looking for the credits theme from Portal, especially considering the amount of hype surrounding the game and the popularity of the song. I know the Portal song doesn't have its own article, but perhaps we could have a separate disambiguation page, with links to here and the Orange Box OST page. LordRM (talk) 05:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that at this point in time both Mirror's Edge and Portal are receiving the same amount of hype. Certainly comparing the recent page view statistics for Portal and Mirror's Edge shows that Mirror's Edge has been drawing as many viewers as Portal, and recently far more. As for the popularity of the songs, the Mirror's Edge "Still Alive" actually has a website dedicated to it already. Hence I believe that both songs have equal weight when deciding where the redirect should lead, and as the Portal song has not got a dedicated article, this article takes priority.

The games are getting the same amount of hype, but try searching "Still Alive" on Google. The top results at present still strongly lean towards the Jonathan Coulton song (9 relevant results, plus 4 which reference the game "Portal:Still Alive" on the first 2 pages vs. 1 result related to Mirror's Edge). Also, from what I've seen, the gaming community brought the Coulton song to its notoriety strictly by word of mouth. The primary notability the Mirror's Edge song has is the marketing campaign behind it. That makes me believe that six months down the line, the Mirror's Edge song will be forgotten like half the songs on the radio, but the Portal song will continue to sustain its popularity. So I'd say, at the bare minimum, there should be a disambiguation page.134.84.102.143 (talk) 03:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Google results are not particularly reliable in determining the notability of a subject as Google categorises every blog and forum it comes across, which are not deemed notable by Wikipedia's standards. Additionally, you are comparing a song which has been out for over a year with one that has been available for little more than a month, so the results you gave are to be expected. As for future popularity, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and so shouldn't be written assuming something that has yet to happen. Finally, as I said before, creating a DAB page serves no purpose other than inconveniencing everyone who searches for "Still Alive" and as such I will not be creating one. If you still feel it necessary, be bold and create it yourself – Ikara ^talk → 12:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Now, as for creating a disambiguation page, see Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Disambiguation page or disambiguation links? While both songs have equal weight, only the Mirror's Edge song has a release independent of other songs. Hence the Mirror's Edge release is primary when compared to the Portal equivalent (the Orange Box soundtrack), so the guideline recommends DAB links. While I am not strongly opposed to creating a DAB page, it does simply mean that everyone who searches for "Still Alive" is taken to the wrong page first. Further, creating a DAB page would not increase the visibility of the Portal song as there are DAB links in this article already. As such I feel DAB pages should be avoided if possible – Ikara ^talk → 03:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I second LordRM's comments. "Still Alive", as it applies to music and video games, was defined by Portal. The Portal song; there's been covers of it. It's sold on iTunes. It's in Rock Band. It's in Kareoke bars. "Still Alive" has more cultural references to Portal than to Mirror's Edge, for sure. I suggest a disambiguation page, if not just directing to the Portal version. -(I don't know how to sign Wiki posts because thw wikipedia nomenclature in 1980s). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.0.213 (talk) 14:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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